STOP MAKING SENSE...that obviously isn't welcome in this thread!!!

 

i would say it has to do with overall drive tranny power quality and tires and weight of the vehical. 150 pond guy is gona have a harder time pushing a 250 pound guy.

i had 2 freinds that tried this on a street in 4x4. my stupid a** freind insisted his tahoe could pull my freinds 2.50 ford and the tahoe snaped his rear axel.

 

Have you actually read this thread or did you just read the last two or three posts and jump in...why do you want to argue looks; there is nothing more subjective than looks and if you had bothered to read you would have found that I already said the Dodge was probably the best looking trucks out right now.

As to how many 2005 Titans will be on the road 20 years from now??? I’ll go out on a limb here and say no more than was sold in total in 2005 and since Dodge and Ford and GM sells more half-ton pickups than does Nissan I’ll agree that there will be fewer Titans on the road 20 years form now than there will be of Dodge, Ford or GM half-ton pickups.

I would also predict that the percentage of 2005 Titans on the road 20 years from now will be commensurate to the number sold in 2005 and comparable to the same measurement of Dodge, Ford and GM pickups.

 

I read the first couple pages then just deicded to say what I think. And that is that the Titan is ugly as hell. sorry

 

Robert, you're a ****ing idiot and your logic is severely flawed. You have next to no credibility here anymore. Do yourself (and everyone else here) a favor and quit posting for a while.

 

Tranny power quality? WTH does that mean?

Weight? Yeah I can see weight making a difference... mainly with putting more weight over the tires thus giving them more traction.

Neither vehicle weighs over 6000 pounds and both are rated to tow at least that much.

Your friend snapped the rear axle?? Was the tow rope tied to it or what?

 

Such an insightful post; it really adds a lot to the discussion - you do your namesake proud.

 

i ment powertrain. im a morron some times sorry threxx. i was thing engine and tranny and powertrain at the same time and thats how that came out.lol

chain was to the towing hitches and more clearly it broke the axel shaft

http://www.1aauto.com/1A/Axleshaft/C...crn=&ovtac=CMP

 

No need to apologize; I was just trying to figure out where the comment was coming from.

Some people like it some people don't....that can pretty much be said about every vehicle that has ever been produced...as I said, there is nothing more subjective than "looks".

 

This is the most important factor alone. Motive force (tire on road) is equal to the normal force (weight on the wheel) times μ (coefficient of friction) ---> or Fm=μ(Fn). Given that both vehicles would be on the same pavement (and assuming tires are of the same basic compound/stickiness), the friction coefficient will be the same for both vehicles, and falls out of play. The only variable left to influence motive force is normal force, which is from the weight on the driving tire(s). Hence, the vehicle with the most weight on the drive tires will provide the most traction - overcoming the traction available to the lighter vehicle, forcing it to "slide".

Better be careful here - I don't have time to look up the curb weight of the 2500, but I can tell you instantly that my 250SD PowerStroke curbs at 6990lbs with less than 2 tanks of diesel and me in it. I cross scales every 2 weeks hauling my refuse to the dump, and occasionally when buying landscaping supplies or a load of gravel for the driveway to the horse barn, etc. I would not be surprised if the Ram 2500 doesn't exceed 6500.

PS - I choose weight over gearing as the most significant item because it is possible to have a better gear ratio than the other guy, but if your tires can't plant the Tq to the asphalt, it does you no good. Likewise the Hp.
Imagine this... a guy proposes to you that he can pull your 250/2500HD truck all over town with his 16 hp tractor and you laugh at him... until he shows up with a little crawler (like a ditch-witch, or a skid-steer loader) that weighs about 8400lbs with hydrostatic drive. He WILL pull your truck all over town - simply because he has the weight to overcome your best traction possible. Not only that, but if he sat there and locked his brakes, you couldn't move him - period - because you can't overcome his friction!
Welcome to the underpinnings of truck and tractor pulls...

PSS - I keep preaching to this board that Hp is NOT the end-all/cure-all.
Here's yet another example. So let's ignore it <again> and keep gawking over 500 and 600hp cars that are not even 1/2 second faster in the quarter or have no more top-end speed than 320hp cars... and we wonder why.

Carry on.

 

both trucks being 4x4 I can tell my 2500 weighs about 1000lbs more then the titan. thats being said I weigh more and have 325hp and 610lbs trq at 1600rpms . and he has 317hp and 380 lbs trq at around 3000rpms (guessing)
I'll pull his little import *** all over the block .
i'm not trying to start a I can pull you you can't pull this pissing match.

I'm simply stating the facts the top level Titan has nothing on any top level gm,ford or dodge truck plan and simple.

(this is not directed to you threxx)
so take your my titan is better then your american truck bs back to a titan forums where they will agree.


AMERICAN TRUCKS ARE THE ONLY TRUCKS

 

So, let me make sure I understand this...you are saying your ¾ Ton Dodge with a diesel can beat up on a half-ton with a gas engine - I’m very glad you cleared that up for everyone.

I guess that is a fair comparison for the Dodge since the ½ Ton Dodge can’t cut it against the Titan even when the Dodge has the mighty 5.7L Hemi.

I wouldn't be crowing too loudly about your "American" truck produced by a German owned company with an NA parts content that probably isn't significantly different than the Titan carries.

 

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Don't know what your crowing about. Your superior dohc with 3 more cams and 16 more valves does not make any more quantified power than the pushrod motors!

 

Well, I wasn't crowing about anything. In fact this thread was dead until Mr. Blackbird decided to jump in at post 133 and 146 (without, by his own admission, even having read the whole thread and then) to offer a contest between a Dodge 2500 Diesel and a half-ton Titan as if that’s supposed to prove something. At least the Silverado/Sierra aficionados were willing to keep the comparison reasonable by sticking to half ton pickups (even if they did insist on only comparing the Titan to GM's 6.0L).

As to the engine, forgive me but I guess I missed the press release that established that the only acceptable way to "measure" the worth of an engine is its horsepower and torque to the number of cams and valves it has.

You can derride the Titan's engine all you want but it doesn't change the fact that Dodge has to go to a Diesel and GM has to use a 6.0L to have a significant edge.

 

Dated OHV? Since OHC was INVENTED first that would make OHV the newer technology! Sophistication? What really is so sophisticated about them over OHV? I am not a Kool aid fan. I wiould talk the same about OHC if GM used it or not. Not a friggin point. Nothing but conjecture on your part.

That's right since most racing bodies(AMLS) limit cubic inches of DOHC motors because they act bigger in Displacment than OHV we will just leave that alone when comparing a 5.7 to a 6.0. What next, the tItAn make more Hp per litre? Will that be next. Again don't know why you are saying it takes the 6.0 to top the 5.7 when you have 3 more cams and 16 more valves. That is around 20 cubes there. It should kick its butt, BUTT it does not.