I'm saying "it takes the 6.0 to top the 5.7" because it does.

Frankly, I could not care less how many cams or valves an engine has or where tha cam(s) is so long as the engine does the job intended. You can argue about the number of valves and cams and cam placement all you want but it still doesn't change the fact that the only way Dodge or GM can have an edge is to go to an HD 3/4 Ton diesel (Dodge) or a significantly larger engine (GM) and even that engine only has slightly better numbers).

 

so it took nissan to build a 5.6 to top the gm 5.3 and ford 5.4. thats why nissan moslt likly built a 5.6 becuase they needed the extra .3 litters to over take the gm 5.3.

 

Nissan built the 5.6 because it built the 5.6. GM built the 6.0 because it built the 6.0. GM does it with the cam on the bottom and Nissan with the cam on the top. I've heard arguments about engine design for 30 years and frankly, it's a bit tiresome – it never gets anywhere.

People who really care about the OHV/OHC argument one way or the other have pretty much made up their mind and aren’t going to change it. I've yet to hear an overwhelmingly convincing case for any particular design and I doubt I ever will.

Frankly; it’s pretty obvious that the “it should do better because it’s got more valves and cams” comments have not so much to do with what design is better and more to do with hatred of the Titan.

If the engine in the Titan was 1.0L; got 500 miles per gallon of WATER, could propel the Titan 0-60 in 3.0sec with a top speed of 345 and could pull the Empire State Building off it’s foundation and down Fifth avenue then those who hate the Titan because they hate the Titan would simply shift to complaining about the choices of colors for the interior or the number of cup holders.

 

i dont hate the titan i hate the fact that you try and sell the titan as the best truck ever and thats far from the truth. and that fact that your two faced about your arguments in a matter of speaking. one second you go on to the titan has more power then the silverado and then the next well people dont use it for towing and hauling so towing and hauling capacities dont matter well if they dont matter then hp wont really matter to thouse buyers either.
the fact that really seems to erk me the the most is that your trying to push the titan off on us.

i went with a friend truck shopping yesterday as a matter of fact and although we both agreed that the silverado interior of the classic (they didnt have any of the new sliverados on the lot nore does he like the styling) was nothing special but alright and same with the ford. we looked at the titan and i couldnt stand the intior what were they thinking the dash looks bad in my opinion the center consol looks like something you would find in a hummer and made it seem like there was no room in the front and what was with the over head consol it looks like they took the design out of a 1980's car. although he liked the interior more then me he said the same thing about the over head consul but was less then impressed with it. he like the toyta tundra the best.

oh and the paint jobs on the titan he looked at was horrible the front of the truck was okay but as you got to the lower back hand coner of the truck the orange peal was the worst i have ever seen.

 

Just to add fuel to the fire, does anyone know off hand how much of each truck you can get for $X? Now I'm curious since we have had all kinds of apple-orange comparisons between them so far... the only real comparison that is realistic is what you can get for a set amount of money.

 

Ok, GRN,

Please either cite where I said the Titan is the “best truck ever” or don’t put words in my mouth.

Have I defended the Titan, yes and I will continue to do so when people bash it just for the sake of bashing it which is what this painfully long thread has mostly been about. If you asked all the people that don’t like the Titan to list everything they didn’t like about it and how to fix it and Nissan changed it exactly the way those people wanted it changed, they would still not like the Titan and just raise new issues to justify them not liking it.

This thread started with someone simply posting the ’07 HP/TQ ratings for the engine - there really wasn’t any need for anybody to post anything else; the HP/TQ ratings are what they are. However, it didn’t take long for the one-upmenship to start.

But now after some 11 pages of posts we are done with the valve/cam/cam placement argument and you want to move on to paint quality and the design of the dash and center consol.

“Liking” or not liking the dash design/interior design is 100% subjective and, except for your own personal buying decision, doesn’t mean a whole lot.

As to the orange peel, your observation is your observation (I’m sure no Silverado/Sierra has ever left the paint shop with a less than perfect paint job). However, as far as I know there is no wide-spread evidence to indicate that there is anything wrong with Nissan’s paint process (and such things are measured by the industry). If you’ve got some evidence to the contrary, besides your observation, please enlighten all of us.

 

It's a good question but hopelessly open-ended.

Do you compare MSRP? I would assume so but would that be with or without rebates? Would you compare 2006 models or 2007 and what about the GM models that are coming but not here yet?

What configuration do you compare? The press usually does fully loaded but what if one manufacturer offers a bunch of stuff the others don't that add a lot of cost; is that a fair comparison of price?

The problem is that no matter what criteria was chosen for a comparison of price someone would take issue with it and call foul; it would never get anywhere.

 

Did you not read my post I SAID TAKE THE TOP LEVEL TITAN AND ANY TOP LEVEL GM,FORD OR DODGE AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS???
Stop reading what you want to read.
and this whole 5.6L vs 6.0L thing is stupid you said it takes gm to go to a diesel to beat the titan bull****. lets say they stuck the c5 zo6 5.7L motor in the truck whats your story now??? because that motor makes 405hp and 400lbs trq .

So shut the **** up if gm wanted to that could of put that motor in there. but they wanted it exclusive to the vette and cts v. so there is the answer to your question yes they have a motor that is only .1 liter bigger makes more power and more then likely gets better gas mileage too.

 

you bought a Titan for offroad use?



to each his own, metrosexuals included.

 

Heh.

That was funny!

 

Blackbird. I never said anything about a “GM diesel”.

Let's make sure I understand this, you want to compare the Titan to Silverados/Sierras with engines that GM doesn't put in them...well...that really adds a lot to the conversation; why didn't I think of that!

I'm glad you joined in on this thread, Blackbird; you've added so much insight.

 

Doesn't the 5.3 in the '07 tahoe have 320hp? and it also gets very good gas mileage with AFM........

 

your a f**king stupid *** dip **** it's no wonder you think so so highly of your Titan.

 

If you bought a nissan they certainly do.

Why not? If you buy an Amrican product over a foriegn product how does that not show patriotism? IIRC, 82% of GM parts in their vehicles are sourced from America and just 70% for the asians. I think even Lutz mentioned this in a speech. They buy stuff from from china becasue most of the time there is not an alternative. I mean American companies and American people doing business with the enemy? Thank Nixon and the liberals for that.

Waht a shame that is.

It is called influence. If they see you drivng around in a particleer vehicle it may give them motivation to buy what you are driving.

Are you saying that import companies pay the same as GM?

Yes they would, so what? This is not a union discussion.

NO it would not matter if little green men build it. It is still a foreign product.

Gm has over 60 models and they don't have one that appeals to you in a price range??

Don't do it for anyone but yourself.

 

I am saying that it takes 3 more cams and 16 more valves to top the 5.3 and get close to the 6.0, because it does. Using your own logic. You are the one that keeps reiterating that it takes GM to use a larger eninge, what all extra 22 cubes to beat the mighty 5.7 in the titan.

Just using ricer logic here. YOu said it takes GM with a bigger motor to top the titan. Now if the titan used a 5.0 to make that power you would be screaming how much that engine is better because it is smaller and makes just as much power. It has nothing to do with the engine, I just hate nissan.

Kinda like the media does to GM all the time? Hey I am a realist and if it did that I would give it it's just due. But I would stil hate it no matter what.