It's Official: 2011 Ford Mustang GT has 5.0-liter V8
12-19-2009, 07:13 PM
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12-19-2009, 07:59 PM
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the gearing problem with the '10 SS can be fixed by mounting a set of (lighter) 18" Z06 wheels with 26" drag radials on the back. Ive seen GT500s run very low 12s stock. fastest '10 camaro I have seen is 12.6. those GT500s run good but those camaros also run good. the tire/wheel combo on them kills them stock. must be very heavy.
12-19-2009, 08:05 PM
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Close. It's called the GenV 
which will supposedly be out with DI. Reports some years back had a 6.2L DI developing 470bhp. That's enough horsepower, you would think! 
Though I'm not sure if the GenV will arrive for 2011 as some reports have alluded to. I would hope so.
I'm also hoping that GM come good with DOHC heads for the GenV, which was a rumour circulating around the same time as news of DI first surfaced. DOHC heads seem to present a better 'image' for Cadillac's performance models. Just thinking out loud, that's all.
Exciting times ahead. Good on Ford for taking the fight to GM (more seriously this time!
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which will supposedly be out with DI. Reports some years back had a 6.2L DI developing 470bhp. That's enough horsepower, you would think! Though I'm not sure if the GenV will arrive for 2011 as some reports have alluded to. I would hope so.
I'm also hoping that GM come good with DOHC heads for the GenV, which was a rumour circulating around the same time as news of DI first surfaced. DOHC heads seem to present a better 'image' for Cadillac's performance models. Just thinking out loud, that's all.
Exciting times ahead. Good on Ford for taking the fight to GM (more seriously this time!
).
12-19-2009, 10:28 PM
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http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=52268
heres a 12.9 with a stock A6 car too:
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40576
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12-20-2009, 12:54 AM
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No way is anyone taking credit away from Camaro.
But lets set a few facts straight:
1. Camaro SS IS at least 100 pounds lighter than the GT500, so the gap in horsepower is partially covered by the weight difference, as is the explaination to why both cars are closer than you'd expect with the horsepower difference.
2. When you get to horsepower figures that high, you need proportionally more to make the same difference than you do at lower horsepower numbers.
The new Mustang GT although at 412 horsepower also has the advantage of lighter weight and a more launch friendly solid axle. If the tires hook up and Ford keeps the 3.73s, I don't see any way the SS will out accelerate it.
But lets set a few facts straight:
1. Camaro SS IS at least 100 pounds lighter than the GT500, so the gap in horsepower is partially covered by the weight difference, as is the explaination to why both cars are closer than you'd expect with the horsepower difference.
2. When you get to horsepower figures that high, you need proportionally more to make the same difference than you do at lower horsepower numbers.
The new Mustang GT although at 412 horsepower also has the advantage of lighter weight and a more launch friendly solid axle. If the tires hook up and Ford keeps the 3.73s, I don't see any way the SS will out accelerate it.
12-20-2009, 07:22 AM
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sure thing!
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=52268
heres a 12.9 with a stock A6 car too:
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40576
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=52268
heres a 12.9 with a stock A6 car too:
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40576
12-20-2009, 09:08 AM
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Here's the other half of the story from the Motor Trend article:
"In fact, the big Chevy is actually quicker off the line than the GT500 and only starts to get reeled in by the more powerful supercharged Shelby mid-track. The trap speeds -- 115.3 mph versus 110.7 mph -- show the Ford's power advantage at work at the top end.
The Ford's big problem is traction. The rock-hard Goodyear Eagle F1 tires grip about as well as a pair of bowling *****, and you have to feather the gas otherwise the GT500 will be left standing in a cloud of tire smoke as the Camaro simply digs in and grunts away."
Fact is the only reason why the Camaro SS came within 1 tenth of the GT500 was the GT500 simply vaporised it's tires, and was hard to hook up, NOT because the Camaro somehow transversed the physics of weight versus horsepower to top the Shelby's advantage.
There is a Car and Driver article in which the current Mustang GT comes to within a tenth of the Camaro SS to 60. In that instance, it was the Camaro that had the disadvantage off the line.
The GT's softer compound Pirelli P-Zeros grip better than the F1s, the Mustang's lighter weight means less mass to launch, and the horsepower and torque numbers are clearly enough to match LS3 Camaros.
As far as the GT not being quicker than the GT500, if the GT500's issue is only tires and launch grip I suspect that issue will be resolved pretty easily.
"In fact, the big Chevy is actually quicker off the line than the GT500 and only starts to get reeled in by the more powerful supercharged Shelby mid-track. The trap speeds -- 115.3 mph versus 110.7 mph -- show the Ford's power advantage at work at the top end.
The Ford's big problem is traction. The rock-hard Goodyear Eagle F1 tires grip about as well as a pair of bowling *****, and you have to feather the gas otherwise the GT500 will be left standing in a cloud of tire smoke as the Camaro simply digs in and grunts away."
Fact is the only reason why the Camaro SS came within 1 tenth of the GT500 was the GT500 simply vaporised it's tires, and was hard to hook up, NOT because the Camaro somehow transversed the physics of weight versus horsepower to top the Shelby's advantage.
There is a Car and Driver article in which the current Mustang GT comes to within a tenth of the Camaro SS to 60. In that instance, it was the Camaro that had the disadvantage off the line.
The GT's softer compound Pirelli P-Zeros grip better than the F1s, the Mustang's lighter weight means less mass to launch, and the horsepower and torque numbers are clearly enough to match LS3 Camaros.
As far as the GT not being quicker than the GT500, if the GT500's issue is only tires and launch grip I suspect that issue will be resolved pretty easily.
No way is anyone taking credit away from Camaro.
But lets set a few facts straight:
1. Camaro SS IS at least 100 pounds lighter than the GT500, so the gap in horsepower is partially covered by the weight difference, as is the explaination to why both cars are closer than you'd expect with the horsepower difference.
2. When you get to horsepower figures that high, you need proportionally more to make the same difference than you do at lower horsepower numbers.
The new Mustang GT although at 412 horsepower also has the advantage of lighter weight and a more launch friendly solid axle. If the tires hook up and Ford keeps the 3.73s, I don't see any way the SS will out accelerate it.
But lets set a few facts straight:
1. Camaro SS IS at least 100 pounds lighter than the GT500, so the gap in horsepower is partially covered by the weight difference, as is the explaination to why both cars are closer than you'd expect with the horsepower difference.
2. When you get to horsepower figures that high, you need proportionally more to make the same difference than you do at lower horsepower numbers.
The new Mustang GT although at 412 horsepower also has the advantage of lighter weight and a more launch friendly solid axle. If the tires hook up and Ford keeps the 3.73s, I don't see any way the SS will out accelerate it.
For those that don't feel like watching or can't, the Camaro SS did 12.9 @110.7mph
I can't wait for the first magazine comparison of GT vs. SS vs. GT500, should be very interesting.
12-20-2009, 09:29 AM
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I'd give a lot of credit to the Camaro. It weighs slightly more than the GT500 and has 114 less HP. Yet it is only behind by 4.6mph through the traps. Shouldn't Ford be able to gain more than 4.6mph with 114 extra ponies? I'm not putting down Ford, I love Fords. But aren't you guys taking a lot of the credit away from the SS??? Everyone's talking about it getting smoked by a car with 14 less HP and and an even further gap in the torque department.
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