It's Official: 2011 Ford Mustang GT has 5.0-liter V8
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Personally, I don't want to see plastic covers all over everything when I pop the hood - no matter how "good" they might look. I'd rather see the engine, cause I typically pop the hood to do just that....look at the engine for one reason or another.
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I agree 100%. What's so impressive about popping your hood when someone wants to see what you're packing and all you have to show them is a piece of Tupperware.
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I think this really creates an issue for Camaro. On one hand..I never thought I would see the day we would have 400HP entry level V8 Mustang GT's and Camaro SS's...so to say more power is needed is insane The flip side however is..if the Camaro wants to keep the power crown it needs more power ASAP to offset the weight disadvantage..or a redesign fast to shed pounds. While the 5th gen is a great car...with these revisions..the Mustang is the better performing and has a better interior. The only thing questionable about the new Mustang (that I never hear discussed) is it's exterior styling. The new styling is akward, and not nearly as clean as 2005-2009.
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I think that the looks are debatable.
What the 2010 MCE did, is make the rear "look" smaller. One of the main complaints with the 2005-2009 version, was the rear looked "big and heavy."
I think they were successful, and like the look, in person. Frankly, the entire car "looks" smaller than last years. That is very difficult to accomplish.
The biggest failing of the MCE, styling wise, is that it was not daring. It is an evolution of an existing look, that is everywhere. This makes it not as eye catching as the Camaro, which has 7 years of nada............ so it's looks are not diluted.
In other words, the Mustang is a victim of its own success.
What the 2010 MCE did, is make the rear "look" smaller. One of the main complaints with the 2005-2009 version, was the rear looked "big and heavy."
I think they were successful, and like the look, in person. Frankly, the entire car "looks" smaller than last years. That is very difficult to accomplish.
The biggest failing of the MCE, styling wise, is that it was not daring. It is an evolution of an existing look, that is everywhere. This makes it not as eye catching as the Camaro, which has 7 years of nada............ so it's looks are not diluted.
In other words, the Mustang is a victim of its own success.
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I do think I see what you are saying about the Mustang though. The 2005 design had a more purposeful look to it. Everything seemed to look like it was designed to be where it was. There are parts of the 2010 design that sorta look like they were afterthoughts. Like somebody said, "Hey, the Camaro hood looks like a cowl induction, let's add that to our car," or "the Camaro and Challenger have a kicked-up flare in the rear quarter panel after the door, so let's add that to our car."
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http://www.autoblog.com/2009/12/28/d...-v8/#continued
Autoblog has some details about the new engine, the best part is, Ford was able to maintain a dressed weight of around 430 pounds for the 4v 5.0
I see they put a big ol' 80mm t-body and have gone back to tubular exhaust manifolds somewhat similar to a tri-y header.
The new oil pan is nice as well with better control over windage and keeping the oil at the pick-up in corners (lol I like Ford's testing solution, they laid the motor on its side to simulate high "gee" turns
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Cylinders heads still use a roller finger followers rather than the DAMB layout most people (suspected - including me) which I suppose isn't all that bad since it allows reduced base circle cams without to much hassle
The block uses the MOD motors deck height and bore spacing and thats pretty much it.
dyno vid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwvLEx10KgE
Autoblog has some details about the new engine, the best part is, Ford was able to maintain a dressed weight of around 430 pounds for the 4v 5.0
I see they put a big ol' 80mm t-body and have gone back to tubular exhaust manifolds somewhat similar to a tri-y header.
The new oil pan is nice as well with better control over windage and keeping the oil at the pick-up in corners (lol I like Ford's testing solution, they laid the motor on its side to simulate high "gee" turns
) Cylinders heads still use a roller finger followers rather than the DAMB layout most people (suspected - including me) which I suppose isn't all that bad since it allows reduced base circle cams without to much hassle
The block uses the MOD motors deck height and bore spacing and thats pretty much it.
dyno vid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwvLEx10KgE
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http://www.autoblog.com/2009/12/28/d...-v8/#continued
Autoblog has some details about the new engine, the best part is, Ford was able to maintain a dressed weight of around 430 pounds for the 4v 5.0
I see they put a big ol' 80mm t-body and have gone back to tubular exhaust manifolds somewhat similar to a tri-y header.
Autoblog has some details about the new engine, the best part is, Ford was able to maintain a dressed weight of around 430 pounds for the 4v 5.0
I see they put a big ol' 80mm t-body and have gone back to tubular exhaust manifolds somewhat similar to a tri-y header.
The header setup looks odd - what's with that crushed tube section on the overpass side?
Fully dressed (minus the A/C compressor) and filled with oil, the new engine weighs in at 430 pounds. That's about the same as the outgoing 4.6 in spite of the extra valve train hardware. By comparison, a non-dry-sump GM LS3 used in the Camaro or Corvette weighs a bit over 400 pounds, which is not enough to make up the difference in overall vehicle weight between the Camaro and Mustang.
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I'm just thinking out aloud here so please don't flame me (too much 
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On specs alone, this engine is OK (compression is impressive for a non-DI) though I'm not too sure it's a technical tour-de-force given the relatively small bore size and the 4-bolt mains. (The LS1 even came out with 6-bolt mains). I'm sure this won't be a problem when the boosted Coyote lobs (or whatever they choose to call it). The cast pistons definitely limit the potential of this engine (at least initially) but I'm sure the upgrade options will come soon enough.
I do wonder how the Coyote will be viewed once the GenV is eventually released, at least in normally aspirated form. Ford also have the Ecoboost to call on should they need it. There'll be no shortage of options for those chasing power, that's for certain.
)...On specs alone, this engine is OK (compression is impressive for a non-DI) though I'm not too sure it's a technical tour-de-force given the relatively small bore size and the 4-bolt mains. (The LS1 even came out with 6-bolt mains). I'm sure this won't be a problem when the boosted Coyote lobs (or whatever they choose to call it). The cast pistons definitely limit the potential of this engine (at least initially) but I'm sure the upgrade options will come soon enough.
I do wonder how the Coyote will be viewed once the GenV is eventually released, at least in normally aspirated form. Ford also have the Ecoboost to call on should they need it. There'll be no shortage of options for those chasing power, that's for certain.
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390lb-ft of tq @ 4000rpms....The ability to run 11:1 compression and regular gas without the use of direct injection and it only weighing 30lbs more than the outgoing 3v Sohc 4.6L all sound impressive. Good stuff.
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Sounds like the 5.0 is being pushed pretty hard, I can't see it being as mod friendly as the LS3/L99.
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I feel if both cars were to be equipped with a track pack (wheels, gears, suspension for the SS), they would be just about dead even. And I do not see any reason why a DOHC DI Gen V (if that is indeed what may be coming) can't easily surpass the 500hp mark and be right up there with the GT500 without needing a supercharger.
I'd hate to think you're simply making stuff up.
Ever hear of the 90s era ZR1?
How about the STSv or XLRv?
Cadillac, Oldsmobile, and Buick have had DOHC V8 "packages".
So the worst kept engine secret is finally out. The Coyote is certainly going to be very impressive as Ford has done their homework. I feel bad for anyone who bought a 2010 Mustang GT or V6 for that matter as the 2011's are likely a lot better in all areas.
I think it's safe to say that the 2011 GT should be the first Mustang GT to hit 12 sec ET's out of the box. (Shelby/SVT/BOSS not withstanding.)
I would think a curb weight around 3575 to 3650 should be expected and that will be low enough to enable the Mustang GT a better power to weight ratio than the SS.
So how does Chevy respond? IMO 1 L E.
Chevy could maintain the 1SS and 2SS just the way they are for those who don't care and still offer a track pack type option for those that do. The SS has a lot that can be refined without even really getting expensive.
-First tighten up the suspension. If someone checks 1LE on the option list then they are waving their rights to soft handling and touring. This is Z51 kind of hard and focused.
-The LS3 needs gears so let’s get the 3.73's as part of the option. We all know the benefits there.
-1LE should also have wider front wheels and tires for handling. Lightweight wheels could be a great way to save some weight and set the style of the 1LE apart from the other SS's.
-Exhaust upgrade. We've seen how aftermarket exhaust companies have added power and cut weight with some very nice systems.
The goal is to get the 1LE equipped SS to cut 40-50lbs and have an increase of 10-15hp while dramatically tightening up the cars suspension and making full use of the IRS advantage. How to combat the 2011 GT Track Pack, --- Wheels and tires, Gears, exhaust and suspension= 1LE.
I think it's safe to say that the 2011 GT should be the first Mustang GT to hit 12 sec ET's out of the box. (Shelby/SVT/BOSS not withstanding.)
I would think a curb weight around 3575 to 3650 should be expected and that will be low enough to enable the Mustang GT a better power to weight ratio than the SS.
So how does Chevy respond? IMO 1 L E.
Chevy could maintain the 1SS and 2SS just the way they are for those who don't care and still offer a track pack type option for those that do. The SS has a lot that can be refined without even really getting expensive.
-First tighten up the suspension. If someone checks 1LE on the option list then they are waving their rights to soft handling and touring. This is Z51 kind of hard and focused.
-The LS3 needs gears so let’s get the 3.73's as part of the option. We all know the benefits there.
-1LE should also have wider front wheels and tires for handling. Lightweight wheels could be a great way to save some weight and set the style of the 1LE apart from the other SS's.
-Exhaust upgrade. We've seen how aftermarket exhaust companies have added power and cut weight with some very nice systems.
The goal is to get the 1LE equipped SS to cut 40-50lbs and have an increase of 10-15hp while dramatically tightening up the cars suspension and making full use of the IRS advantage. How to combat the 2011 GT Track Pack, --- Wheels and tires, Gears, exhaust and suspension= 1LE.
Very good recipie. You hit all the Camaro SS' shortcomings.
I just can't see new powerplants making such a swing in sales. The redesign did nothing, sales have continually gone down. Mustang has rebates, convertibles and GT500 models and its nots even coming close to getting the job done.
Meanwhile the Camaro is all new so it has to contend with less models, 1st year bad stigma and most people paying sticker. Nevermind the negative attitude towards GM as a whole with the whole bankruptcy thing.
Meanwhile the Camaro is all new so it has to contend with less models, 1st year bad stigma and most people paying sticker. Nevermind the negative attitude towards GM as a whole with the whole bankruptcy thing.
1. Mustang sales are down because it's no longer the only Pony car on the market. Redesign or not, Camaro pulled sales from Mustang's monopoly, which is to be expected.
2. Powertrains do make a difference, but perhaps not quite in the way most here think. The new Mustang V6 that has 305 horsepower and gets 30 mpg is an almost irresistable pull for just about any buyer with a sub $23K limit. If the Mustang GT's price doesn't increase greatly, it's 400+ V8 will be had for less than $29K, compared to the current Camaro SS price of $33K.
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Well, in that case, you can rightfully say that the Mustang handed Camaro it's ***** based on the traditional model year 2010 sales since Mustang had a number of extra months of sales.
The traditional 2011 model year still has 9 months left, and a lot can happen between now and then in sales, so it's far too early to make sales predictions for the current model year.
Now..... going back to calendar year (which in this day & age is in fact a model year), Mustang simply edged out Camaro.
Be careful cherrypicking measurements without knowing what you may get.
Looks good.
To compare:
Instead of pulling up BMW, why not pull up the Ford DOHC 4.6 as a yardstick?
Also tends to trap heat.
I like that "sleeper" look. Reminds me of the GTOs. 
I normally disagree with you, but not this time. You're dead on.....
Tupperware.... very funny.
The traditional 2011 model year still has 9 months left, and a lot can happen between now and then in sales, so it's far too early to make sales predictions for the current model year.
Now..... going back to calendar year (which in this day & age is in fact a model year), Mustang simply edged out Camaro.
Be careful cherrypicking measurements without knowing what you may get.
Looks good.
To compare:
Perhaps it's the cynic in me coming out here... but the fact that Ford have withheld one of the most important specifications (engine mass) leads me to think it's no real featherweight.
I can only use the BMW 4.0L V8 M3 engine as a yardstick... that engine still weighs some 50kg (110lbs) more than the LS3 even if power is 'comparable'.
Will be interesting to see the engine in all its glory.
I can only use the BMW 4.0L V8 M3 engine as a yardstick... that engine still weighs some 50kg (110lbs) more than the LS3 even if power is 'comparable'.
Will be interesting to see the engine in all its glory.
Tupperware.... very funny.