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Old Dec 9, 2004 | 11:30 AM
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I agree 110%.
Old Dec 9, 2004 | 07:41 PM
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GM, if you reading this, you're losing formerly faithful customers due to your lack of listening to what the market wants. i personally have given up hope and faith in the beancounting culture at GM having not produced a 5th gen fbody. this transam i currently own will be the last GM car i own. i just recently steered my sister into buying a new camry over a malibu maxx due to my dissapointment with GM.

watch the numbers lutz and company..... you're losing market share year-after year with huge inventory surplases because the PUBLIC is pissed off and uninterested in your cars.

if you don't start listening to us toyota will be number one in mere years.
Old Dec 9, 2004 | 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by foxbat
GM, if you reading this, you're losing formerly faithful customers due to your lack of listening to what the market wants. i personally have given up hope and faith in the beancounting culture at GM having not produced a 5th gen fbody. this transam i currently own will be the last GM car i own. i just recently steered my sister into buying a new camry over a malibu maxx due to my dissapointment with GM.

watch the numbers lutz and company..... you're losing market share year-after year with huge inventory surplases because the PUBLIC is pissed off and uninterested in your cars.

if you don't start listening to us toyota will be number one in mere years.

You know. At first, my gut reaction when reading your post was "Ya, but if this person even bought this car new... it was TEN years ago (1994 T/A), and even more likely, it was bought used... not much in this customer for GM."

But then when you said you steered your sister away from a Malibu to get a Camry, it really drives home the point that F-Bodies are worth more to GM then just the simple sales of the F-Body alone.

I know I have brought up the point in the past that a lot of people have that Cavalier, or Sunfire, or Silverado, or Montana sitting in their garage BECAUSE of Camaro or Firebird....

I think this is a legitimate variant on this... and it drives home a nice point.
Old Dec 9, 2004 | 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Darth Xed
You know. At first, my gut reaction when reading your post was "Ya, but if this person even bought this car new... it was TEN years ago (1994 T/A), and even more likely, it was bought used... not much in this customer for GM."
true darth about the 10 year point, but remember too, a relationship is more important than a sale. i have purchased 2 brand new GMs in the last 10 years, and now they have lost that relationship that could've potentially purchased 5 times that many. plus, word spreads and all my friends and family will not likely buy GMs either.

even diehard GM fbody fans are leaving camp and heading to the mustangs because ford is listening to their customers, yet all these GM corporate nincompoops can offer is a cobalt and monte??? sorry GM, but the joke's on you, while ford and others are eating your lunch.

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Old Dec 9, 2004 | 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Darth Xed
You know. At first, my gut reaction when reading your post was "Ya, but if this person even bought this car new... it was TEN years ago (1994 T/A), and even more likely, it was bought used... not much in this customer for GM."

But then when you said you steered your sister away from a Malibu to get a Camry, it really drives home the point that F-Bodies are worth more to GM then just the simple sales of the F-Body alone.

I know I have brought up the point in the past that a lot of people have that Cavalier, or Sunfire, or Silverado, or Montana sitting in their garage BECAUSE of Camaro or Firebird....

I think this is a legitimate variant on this... and it drives home a nice point.

It's a very good point. If you're known among your friends/family as the "car guy", who are they going to ask when they're looking for a car? You. You get a devoted car enthusiast in a Camaro owner and he'll steer his family towards GM. When a company like GM abandons that guy, he'll steer them over to another option.

I told my gf to buy a Camry when she was looking, Malibu just didn't compete. And I soon followed suit and went to the automaker with the right car at the right price. Her mom wants to buy a car? Ask me. Her friend is buying a car? Ask me.

Guys like us are important to makes like GM in the long term. But short sighted bean counters who's only loyalties lie in stock prices are killing the company, slowly but surely.
Old Dec 9, 2004 | 09:16 PM
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Re: "Chevy isn't afraid of Mustang....."

Originally Posted by MunchE
...short sighted bean counters who's only loyalties lie in stock prices are killing the company, slowly but surely.
Can I get an AMEN on that one!

Someday (I hope), the CEO's and BOD's of these large firms will figure out that it takes more than stockholders to make a company run for any length of time... CUSTOMERS are SOMETIMES an important part of running a business too.

BTW, GM is certainly not the only management suffering from stockholder-tunnelvision these days.
Old Dec 9, 2004 | 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by ProudPony
Can I get an AMEN on that one!
BTW, GM is certainly not the only management suffering from stockholder-tunnelvision these days.
funny thing though, i work with global financial stock markets and i see who own what stocks every day, and all these stock holders GM is catering to are selling GM shares year-after-year....some job they're doing retaining investors.
Old Dec 12, 2004 | 02:51 AM
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Originally Posted by guionM
Al, my point was from a non-enthusiast point of view. Someone looking for a small sport "American" coupe and doesn't care about which wheels are driving the car will likely pick Cobalt or base Mustang. Not many, as was told to me, but enough to make a dent.

When we get to enthusiasts or people buying Mustang because of it's looks or name, then naturally all bets are off.
Good to see someone keeping a level head in the middle of this madness.

I can honestly see where this guy is coming from, from a consumer point of view. Of course it pisses me off as an enthusiast. But there's more to the auto industry than looking at the forest from the trees.
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