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Originally posted by 2001GTMILT
Your not helping the F-Bod owner stereotype. If you dont understand what I meant you need to cancel your membership to this forum because your just an IDOIT.
Let me break it down for you. Its funny how a car that hasnt been produced, doesnt have a concept and that hasnt been acknowledged by GM to exist will run circle around a car already in production. Youre all going on rumors, he said she said. But none of you know what it will be or if it will ever be a reality. Much less know specifications. But since your cumaro doesnt exist anymore I see why you subject yourself to this fantasy life. While your there give some info on the 2007 Cumaro im very interested. (SARCASM IS BEING USED VERY HEAVILY JUST INCASE YOU DONT NOTICE AGAIN)
Your not helping the F-Bod owner stereotype. If you dont understand what I meant you need to cancel your membership to this forum because your just an IDOIT.
Let me break it down for you. Its funny how a car that hasnt been produced, doesnt have a concept and that hasnt been acknowledged by GM to exist will run circle around a car already in production. Youre all going on rumors, he said she said. But none of you know what it will be or if it will ever be a reality. Much less know specifications. But since your cumaro doesnt exist anymore I see why you subject yourself to this fantasy life. While your there give some info on the 2007 Cumaro im very interested. (SARCASM IS BEING USED VERY HEAVILY JUST INCASE YOU DONT NOTICE AGAIN)
Quick! Who's got the flame gun?
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Originally posted by muckz
You probably meant 2/3 the price (100K vs. 150K). Or, you meant it will be 1/3 cheaper than GT.
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You probably meant 2/3 the price (100K vs. 150K). Or, you meant it will be 1/3 cheaper than GT.
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As for the BD curb weight, I have a lot of confidence in the 2900 lbs figure.
First, the base C6 is weighing in at 3100 lbs...C5 Z06 levels. You would expect with an aluminum frame and CF body that 2900 would be VERY possible, maybe even on the high end.
What if it comes in at 2800LBS?
Remember that just a few weeks ago we were all speculating about how close a 475-500 hp Z06 is going to perform to the GT....I think the GT will have the edge but for price and availability the C6 Z will be the dominant player.
I totally understand that this is mostly speculation, but at least we have SOME data confirmed about the specs, meanwhile we have zero information about the look of the car which was thrashed as being too plain despite the fact no one has seen one yet.
And as for Ford vs. chevy....if you guys don't like the debate why are you here?
Last edited by Chris 96 WS6; Jun 2, 2004 at 03:18 PM.
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Originally posted by 2001GTMILT
Your not helping the F-Bod owner stereotype. If you dont understand what I meant you need to cancel your membership to this forum because your just an IDOIT.
Let me break it down for you. Its funny how a car that hasnt been produced, doesnt have a concept and that hasnt been acknowledged by GM to exist will run circle around a car already in production. Youre all going on rumors, he said she said. But none of you know what it will be or if it will ever be a reality. Much less know specifications. But since your cumaro doesnt exist anymore I see why you subject yourself to this fantasy life. While your there give some info on the 2007 Cumaro im very interested. (SARCASM IS BEING USED VERY HEAVILY JUST INCASE YOU DONT NOTICE AGAIN)
Your not helping the F-Bod owner stereotype. If you dont understand what I meant you need to cancel your membership to this forum because your just an IDOIT.
Let me break it down for you. Its funny how a car that hasnt been produced, doesnt have a concept and that hasnt been acknowledged by GM to exist will run circle around a car already in production. Youre all going on rumors, he said she said. But none of you know what it will be or if it will ever be a reality. Much less know specifications. But since your cumaro doesnt exist anymore I see why you subject yourself to this fantasy life. While your there give some info on the 2007 Cumaro im very interested. (SARCASM IS BEING USED VERY HEAVILY JUST INCASE YOU DONT NOTICE AGAIN)
I apologize for not seeing your sarcastic point hidden underneath the poor writing. It won't happen again. You might want to check the spelling on idiot though.
I guess I'm off now to cancel my membership in this board because a guy with 23 posts has so completely embarassed me I cannot show my avatar around here anymore.......
SENSING THE SARCASM YET DUDE?
You are right Guion....I smell troll urine a mile away.
I don't mind ford guys following links over here to debate or even Ford guys that hang here regularly like PT, Proud Pony and RE5.0, but I sorta take offense at newbies with 23 posts that poof their chests out like they have more of a right to post here than veteran members.
Someone has to keep you GM guys inline!
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Originally posted by muckz
THere are certain things we can believe - high HP, low weight. I would not put any money, personally, on the weight of this car being 2900 lbs. We already have seen the likes of Solstice - which gained 400 lbs by now. And the original Z06 was supposed to be closer to 3000 lbs, but it's resting at 3100.
Time, of course, will tell.
THere are certain things we can believe - high HP, low weight. I would not put any money, personally, on the weight of this car being 2900 lbs. We already have seen the likes of Solstice - which gained 400 lbs by now. And the original Z06 was supposed to be closer to 3000 lbs, but it's resting at 3100.
Time, of course, will tell.
The Z06 is 3118# "soaking wet" IOW, full fuel and windshield washer reservoir. Curb weight is "everything topped off" in the GM world of specs. Fluids are heavy, particularly gasoline, and even different gasoline grades and types have differing weight penalties.
Mine is 3025 with a 1/4 tank of fuel, well that's a scaled readout prior to a different hood I have had done up. The washer deal is a moot point, I agree, but weight is weight and mine isn't going to get dirty enough to require 10 pounds of wawa to handle the rare mud hit. 2900# is not all that hard to achieve with a C5 FRC if you can live with spending a few bucks...in racing vehicle it's the required rollcage that bites you as exotic metal cages are not tolerated well by most racing series.
I would think 2900# is a bit high for a lightened C6 approached with a high MSRP,... a Z06 on a diet?...maybe... but seriously lightened? There's places to get weight out if the cost per kilo trade off is less stringent from a budgetary standpoint.
If I knew... I couldn't and wouldn't tell you...I like my job.
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Originally posted by muckz
2. Durability problems my ****, pardon my french. The original GT won races and beat on N/A Ferraris.
2. Durability problems my ****, pardon my french. The original GT won races and beat on N/A Ferraris.
Not to get bogged down, but the 05 GT powertrain has practically NOTHING IN COMMON with that of the 1960's GT40's.
I agree with alot of what your saying as far as lets not take enthusiast speculation as "set in stone". One thing I think we can all agree on is that the "Blue Devil" will be badass.
And also, as far as the idea of the "Blue Devil" not having the history or prestige that the GT has isn't quite accurate. The Blue Devil will have 50+ years of Vette history to add to.
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Originally posted by Sixer-Bird
Not to get bogged down, but the 05 GT powertrain has practically NOTHING IN COMMON with that of the 1960's GT40's.
Not to get bogged down, but the 05 GT powertrain has practically NOTHING IN COMMON with that of the 1960's GT40's.
Originally posted by Sixer-Bird
And also, as far as the idea of the "Blue Devil" not having the history or prestige that the GT has isn't quite accurate. The Blue Devil will have 50+ years of Vette history to add to.
And also, as far as the idea of the "Blue Devil" not having the history or prestige that the GT has isn't quite accurate. The Blue Devil will have 50+ years of Vette history to add to.
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I'm not doubting the performance or potential of the GT's blown 5.4. Like any other factory s/c'ed motor, it should respond very well to the slightest mods. Ford has built the supercharged Lightning and 03 Cobra for sometime now, and know how to make it a reliable package.
I'm not seeing eye to eye with you on the Blue Devil's heritage though. I see what your trying to say, but let's not forget that "Blue Devil" is only the working name for this car. The Corvette has already used the ZR-1, Z06, and Grand Sport names for higher performance models, and the "Blue Devil" should be no different whether it carries a ZL-1 designation or whatever Chevy might choose. I still think ZL-1 would be the best name for this car, but that's a whole 'nother dead horse .
I'm not seeing eye to eye with you on the Blue Devil's heritage though. I see what your trying to say, but let's not forget that "Blue Devil" is only the working name for this car. The Corvette has already used the ZR-1, Z06, and Grand Sport names for higher performance models, and the "Blue Devil" should be no different whether it carries a ZL-1 designation or whatever Chevy might choose. I still think ZL-1 would be the best name for this car, but that's a whole 'nother dead horse
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Yeah, if they go with a past name like ZL-1 or something, then that would be *something* though not many people recognize it as much as say the GT(40) name. Just an observation. Like I said, GM could make something of it.
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Yeah, if they go with a past name like ZL-1 or something, then that would be *something* though not many people recognize it as much as say the GT(40) name. Just an observation. Like I said, GM could make something of it.
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The GT40 has history. The GT, without the 40, is just a clone of a legendary 60's car with a vauge, nondescript name.
Now granted most even semi-enthusiasts are going to know what it is when they see it, but I would wager that any casual non-enthusiast is going to recognize a VEtte before they recognize an obscure, even if legendary, Le Mans racer from the 60s.
Now granted most even semi-enthusiasts are going to know what it is when they see it, but I would wager that any casual non-enthusiast is going to recognize a VEtte before they recognize an obscure, even if legendary, Le Mans racer from the 60s.
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Originally posted by Chris 96 WS6
The GT40 has history. The GT, without the 40, is just a clone of a legendary 60's car with a vauge, nondescript name.
Now granted most even semi-enthusiasts are going to know what it is when they see it, but I would wager that any casual non-enthusiast is going to recognize a VEtte before they recognize an obscure, even if legendary, Le Mans racer from the 60s.
The GT40 has history. The GT, without the 40, is just a clone of a legendary 60's car with a vauge, nondescript name.
Now granted most even semi-enthusiasts are going to know what it is when they see it, but I would wager that any casual non-enthusiast is going to recognize a VEtte before they recognize an obscure, even if legendary, Le Mans racer from the 60s.
If GM were to make a mega hp super car, Im not sure that GM should use the Vette.