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Old Jun 1, 2004 | 08:29 PM
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The uniqueness of the blue devil is totally irrelevant.

The car is being made for only 1 reason: Magazine tests for bragging rights.

All you need is 500 Corvette lovers per year with money (not hard to find) to ****** the cars up and store them away for decades. They aren't going to get driven much anyway, so to talk about how nobody's going to care about you because your car is not unique looking is sort of silly.

Besides, most people on the road can't tell cars apart at all...so who's to say they'd even know a GT40 when they saw one?

I think at $140,000 3500 units are going to prove too many for Ford. There's just not enough market for that many when you have Vipers & Z06's taking customers on the low range and real exotics on the upper range. 3500 once might be do-able but 3500 year in and year out is going to be tough. You are talking Viper volume but the viper costs only half that.
Old Jun 1, 2004 | 08:58 PM
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I would like to point out that if the Blue Devil is an all aluminum space frame it will cost quite a bit more to construct than the Steel space frame used today.
Very true. I believe it would also require its own tooling. GM does have experience with alum space frames- the EV1 had one!!
Old Jun 1, 2004 | 09:04 PM
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Originally posted by Chris 96 WS6
I think at $140,000 3500 units are going to prove too many for Ford. There's just not enough market for that many when you have Vipers & Z06's taking customers on the low range and real exotics on the upper range. 3500 once might be do-able but 3500 year in and year out is going to be tough. You are talking Viper volume but the viper costs only half that.
The 3500 is the total production run , not the annual volume.
Old Jun 1, 2004 | 09:14 PM
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Originally posted by WERM
The 3500 is the total production run , not the annual volume.
Thanks. That makes a bunch more sense to me.
Old Jun 1, 2004 | 09:34 PM
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Originally posted by Chris 96 WS6
The uniqueness of the blue devil is totally irrelevant.
All you need is 500 Corvette lovers per year with money (not hard to find) to ****** the cars up and store them away for decades. They aren't going to get driven much anyway, so to talk about how nobody's going to care about you because your car is not unique looking is sort of silly.
You forget the market these cars are in.

Originally posted by Chris 96 WS6
Besides, most people on the road can't tell cars apart at all...so who's to say they'd even know a GT40 when they saw one?
Define most. Most people know a Ferrari when they see one. Most people know a Lambo. Most people are going to know a GT when they see it, if they don't, they will next time. The question is, who's going to know you're driving a Blue Devil? Hopefully there's something UNIQUE about this car from the others.

Originally posted by Chris 96 WS6
I think at $140,000 3500 units are going to prove too many for Ford. There's just not enough market for that many when you have Vipers & Z06's taking customers on the low range and real exotics on the upper range. 3500 once might be do-able but 3500 year in and year out is going to be tough. You are talking Viper volume but the viper costs only half that.
They're all spoken for by either those that have "ordered" them or dealerships that have been alotted one. All 3500, that should say something. And it's not just the Ford loyal buying them. And just what is a real exotic? Even Italian exotic owners and others know the GT is an exotic. Just accept it and move on.
Old Jun 1, 2004 | 10:04 PM
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I don't think I care for your pompus superior attitude.

Just accept it and move on? So you are right, everyone else is clearly wrong and stubborn and we should all just bow to the mighty Paper Target?

More like Paper Tiger IMO....

If all 3500 cars are already spoken for then this whole discussion is MOOT because there will be no more new Ford GT's to compete with the Blue Devil. If Ford's not making them anymore and they're all sold -- or at least all spoken for -- by the time the BD hits the market then this debate is about as usefull as comparing the 2002 SS to the 2003 Cobra.

Come down off your high horse. Your posts are nothing but opinion and conjecture postured aggressively in order to present them as facts, which they are not.

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Old Jun 1, 2004 | 10:09 PM
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Originally posted by Chris 96 WS6
All you need is 500 Corvette lovers per year with money (not hard to find) to ****** the cars up and store them away for decades.
Nothing more true has ever been said on this board. Im sure guys who own 20+ Corvettes wouldnt have much of a problem comming up with $150k to buy another.
Old Jun 1, 2004 | 10:09 PM
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So an all aluminum frame, carbon fiber body, 575+hp Corvette that weighs 2900 lbs and will almost w/o a doubt have at least some very distinctive body alterations to differentiate it from other Corvettes is somehow not exotic? I find that laughable.

Everyone just give up. Paper Target is the world's foremost authority on what is and what is not considered exotic, the rest of us are just playing in his sandbox.

We've been totally out-thought by this guy and we should all recognize his intellectual superiority by accepting the fact that a bloated 3700 lb Ford GT is exotic merely because it is overpriced and visually distinctive, and the BD is not because its not expensive enough or unique looking enough even though NO ONE HAS SEEN ONE YET and it will probably out perform the GT based on an 800 lb weight difference alone, not to mention more HP.
Old Jun 1, 2004 | 10:42 PM
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whats wrong with you guys, lol.
i like to think their doing it for the kids to have something look look up to.
kinda like the countach was for many 4th graders back in the day.
Chev will now have a soul again
Old Jun 1, 2004 | 11:35 PM
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You guys dont seem to get it

Its cool when DCX or Ford does it, but no way in any shape or form can GM do it. GM cant make a super car due to the Laws of Dr.Fordfanboy. Im surprised non of you guys know that.
Yes, Ford can make a 500 unit production run, but GM cant due to the Laws of the Dr.
Just like GM cant make a 500hp small block. Again, the laws.
These same laws allow the Mustang to get a 500hp engine, but the Corvette cannot.

Now that it has been explained to you, we all have learned something new today.
Old Jun 1, 2004 | 11:50 PM
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Ummm the Ford GT does not weigh anything close to 3700 lbs, You talk about posting facts then you spit that number out.
Old Jun 1, 2004 | 11:59 PM
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Originally posted by Big Als Z
You guys dont seem to get it

Its cool when DCX or Ford does it, but no way in any shape or form can GM do it. GM cant make a super car due to the Laws of Dr.Fordfanboy. Im surprised non of you guys know that.
Yes, Ford can make a 500 unit production run, but GM cant due to the Laws of the Dr.
Just like GM cant make a 500hp small block. Again, the laws.
These same laws allow the Mustang to get a 500hp engine, but the Corvette cannot.

Now that it has been explained to you, we all have learned something new today.
hahahaha... your right. It's the same group of people that keep saying that the Ford GT will put down 550HP at the wheels and that 500hp crank is impossible for a 427 Z06. The Cobra can have a 500HP V8 and stay under $40K, but the $100K+ Blue devil can't have 600HP.
Old Jun 2, 2004 | 12:57 AM
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I don't recall seeing anyone saying that GM "can't" do anything. All I have seen are various peoples opinions of what they think GM "will" do.

Nothing more, nothing less.

While the average Joe on the road may not know that the GT is a Ford, or that it is commemorating the original GT-40........... they most likely will know that it is some form of "exotic" vehicle. It just has that type of look.

We cannot guestimate what the Blue Devil may look like, as noone has seen it............ and it may not even exist in the flesh yet at GM. When we know what it does look like, then we can debate it's "exotic" tag.

While some here may not like the GT, it has garnered respect from most of the exotic enthusiasts. Go look around at some of their message boards, and see what they have to say about it............ I did (I was curious to see if many of them were actually enthusiasts........... or snobs). I think the most striking is on the Ferrari boards, where Ferrari owners hope that the GT forces Ferrari to get off its butt and raise its performance levels. Many of these same Ferrari owners are on lists to buy one.............. just as there are many Viper owners who feel the same.

The performance enthusiasts in these groups seem to like extreme performance cars, no matter what "brand" is on the hood. To me, that is good to see.

BTW, latest rumors (semi verified as those in the know cannot be too forthcoming) have the GT running with a top speed of 215. Take it for what it is worth.

I am real anxious to see some actual tests of actual production cars. We should be seeing them in the next few months. I think Ford is doing a lot of teasing with the car.
Old Jun 2, 2004 | 01:28 AM
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I would be willing to bet that when the "Blue Devil" is unveiled the styling will be C6 but be very unique, to that model. There will be no confusing this with the normal C6 or the C6 Z06 models.

I don't think it will be mid-engined like posted somewhere above.

Anybody have any speculation on what the "Blue Devil" might really be called when released? Are there any high performance designations left from the past?
Old Jun 2, 2004 | 01:53 AM
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Originally posted by Big Als Z
You guys dont seem to get it

Its cool when DCX or Ford does it, but no way in any shape or form can GM do it. GM cant make a super car due to the Laws of Dr.Fordfanboy. Im surprised non of you guys know that.
Yes, Ford can make a 500 unit production run, but GM cant due to the Laws of the Dr.
Just like GM cant make a 500hp small block. Again, the laws.
These same laws allow the Mustang to get a 500hp engine, but the Corvette cannot.

Now that it has been explained to you, we all have learned something new today.
WhenTF did anyone say GM can't make a 500HP small block? Sure the Mustang AND Corvette can do it, but the Corvette is going to cost more, thats all we're saying. And timing has every bit to do with it too. Your just misinterpreting what a lot of people here are saying.... Believe me, I'm just as biased against Ford as the next guy here But I also look from an objective stance when it comes to speculation and what not.



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