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Old Feb 11, 2008 | 06:54 PM
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I find it odd that the "Lighter" Challenger does 0-60 in 4.9 when I know people with "Heavier" SRT8 Chargers that can do it in 4.8. And the Challenger is 200 lbs less. That doesn't add up. I can also vouch that MY Charger got noticably quicker after it hit about 10,000 miles. Don't be shocked to see REAL Challgers running more like 4.5 to 60mph.
And yes the gas milage does suck. My 5.7 Charger gets a BEST of 23mpg on the highway (at 80mph) While my Trans Am get's between 26-28 mpg at the same speed. (and is quicker). But haven driven a SRT Charger, I can say that the car felt as if it would handle just as good as my Trans Am. The real beauty of the Hemi is not off the line by the way. Those beasts need to rev to make power. Once they get thier stride they are monsters. An SRT will chase down a lot of cars with the lead.
the challenger is only about 100lbs less.

and a charger wont run down anything "once it gets its stride". if you need evidence, just check what they trap in the 1/8th and the 1/4. they do the same as anyother car with similar power/weight ratio. nothing special.
Old Feb 11, 2008 | 06:55 PM
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I'll add that buyers with ADD will actually be driving their dodge, and we will still be waiting for gm to create the coolest HVAC ***** EVARR!!!.....
Old Feb 11, 2008 | 07:13 PM
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I know people daily driving Trailblazer SSs with stock 4.10 gears getting 14mpg combined. The gas mileage on the the window sticker is 12/city and 16/highway. Crazy low numbers you wont be seeing in a few years.
Old Feb 11, 2008 | 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Steve0
The Challenger milage isnt really that bad for 4000lbs, 400+hp car.

An automatic GTO was rated at what? Highway was low 20s. According to current standards it would be rated at 14/19. By current standards, a 3400lb 2002 Z28 with an automatic would be rated at 16/23.

Actual numbers will of course very, but for a full size car that weighs 4000lbs and ought to be able to run a low 13 second quarter on the box, it seems to fit right where it should be. I'm sure these cars will solidly be in the 12s with simple bolt ons.
I have a GTO and get 25-27 on the highway doing roughly 80 mph. City is a little different but that is my fault
Old Feb 11, 2008 | 08:39 PM
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if the camaro has the milage of the vette ill be a happy camper
Hahaha , not a chance . Think "closer" to LS2 GTO . Unless GM has some kinda miacle up its sleeve with the V8 cars .
Old Feb 11, 2008 | 08:54 PM
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I have a GTO and get 25-27 on the highway doing roughly 80 mph. City is a little different but that is my fault
In an automatic? If so that is suprising. Thats about what the 6 speed was rated at wasnt it?

I just checked fueleconomy.gov. On 2008 standards, a 4 speed LS2 GTO is rated at 14/19, less than that of a LS1 4 speed F-body, which makes sense.
Old Feb 12, 2008 | 10:58 AM
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There's plenty of people glad you aren't getting one... the SRT8s are basically sold out.
As of last week Autoblog were reporting that there were some 2,100 unsold cars heading to dealers. Since those will probably end up with $20,000 "Market Adjustments" on the sticker, it will probably be a while before the Challenger is completely "sold out" at the dealer level. It will probably come down to what people are willing to pay. Of course they could also end up keeping snow off the lots like GTOs did so I hope the dealers are careful.
Old Feb 12, 2008 | 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by TrickStang37
the challenger is only about 100lbs less.

and a charger wont run down anything "once it gets its stride". if you need evidence, just check what they trap in the 1/8th and the 1/4. they do the same as anyother car with similar power/weight ratio. nothing special.
are you talking from experience? Because I'm also a member on chargerforums.com too, (and I own a Hemi) and there's plenty of video evidence of SRT's chasing down cars that get hole shots on them. Hemi's have never been off the line beasts, they make their power in in the higher revs and have peak torque at a high for V8 rpm. Unless you have driven a hemi and just go by the numbers it doesn't add up. If you have ever driven a crotch rocket bike then you know what I'm talking about. Not much off the line, but once they get in the higher revs the power multiplies rapidly. Same with the Hemi's. And the wieght of the Charger/Challenger isn't going to help on hole shots either. Don't believe me? go drive one. There is a noticable rush of power at around 3500-5000rpm's. Not so on my LS1. The power is available off idle and gradualy builds. Given enough time, the SRT WILL chase down cars that get quicker starts. That's why SRT drivers prefer racing from the roll as opposed to from a dig. That's where the SRT has the advantage and the owners know it.
Old Feb 12, 2008 | 11:23 AM
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I dont know why anybody is laughing yet. I personally think that the car looks way better than the Camaro as they went the right direction w/ the "retro look" and they DIDNT F it up. I think GM managed to ROYALLY screw up a perfectly fine 69 Camaro body to make the new Camaro and so far find is quite gross....hopefully that will change when I see a REAL production car in person...hopefully.

If its running good #'s,who cares what it weighs. If it ran that fast for them on street tires,just imagine what drag radials are going to do...especially on a stick car.

When you have a new Camaro and you beat more than 2 Challengers stock vs. stock,then you can laugh.
Old Feb 12, 2008 | 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Rice Killer87
I think GM managed to ROYALLY screw up a perfectly fine 69 Camaro body to make the new Camaro and so far find is quite gross....
But -

They weren't trying to make it retro like the Challenger.....so they didn't F anything up, it just wasn't the goal to begin with!
Old Feb 12, 2008 | 11:45 AM
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But -

They weren't trying to make it retro like the Challenger.....so they didn't F anything up, it just wasn't the goal to begin with!
exactly. Like the design team couldn't get their hands on a 69 to duplucate?? This is a MODERN retelling of the classic. NOT a clone of the classic.
Old Feb 12, 2008 | 11:47 AM
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I suppose if you can pay 40k or more after "market adjustment", you probably wouldn't care that it gets 13 mpg under "normal" city driving. I guess it won't matter either when you get into it and it delivers a whopping 8 or 9 mpgs.

For a modern muscle car, thats pathetic.

So for those few thousand Mopar Heads that are in love with the challenger becaise it comes with Hemi badges on it's engine and Challenger written on the back, good for you.

For me? I'll take a 20k V6 or 25K V8 and laugh all the way to the bank, and laugh my *** off when I am passing you at the pump. If you beat me to 60, well you got to get something for spending twice as much. I'll just take the better car.
Old Feb 12, 2008 | 12:34 PM
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I suppose if you can pay 40k or more after "market adjustment", you probably wouldn't care that it gets 13 mpg under "normal" city driving.
You'll pay more thank 40k for an SRT8 before any "market adjustment. The base price of the Challenger SRT8 is $40,095.



Originally Posted by 5thGen
For me? I'll take a 20k V6 or 25K V8 and laugh all the way to the bank, and laugh my *** off when I am passing you at the pump. If you beat me to 60, well you got to get something for spending twice as much. I'll just take the better car.
I'd like that, too, but I'm not betting on them being quite that cheap. I think V8s will be 27-29k minimum by the time they hit lots.
Old Feb 12, 2008 | 01:24 PM
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Talking Off the Line

I'm with you this man!!! Dodge did it right and they are off the line first. Chevy could of been there as well, but they drop the ball in deliberation. They are afraid of a flop. Who wouldn't?

Good numbers, weight doesn't matter as much..... either that or get a 2 seater huh? Miles Per Gallon?... if you are worried about that, a V8 is not your best choices for a Daily Driver. Honestly men, get a 4 Cylinder Civic and you will travel twice as far as a V8 Camaro.



Originally Posted by Rice Killer87
I dont know why anybody is laughing yet. I personally think that the car looks way better than the Camaro as they went the right direction w/ the "retro look" and they DIDNT F it up. I think GM managed to ROYALLY screw up a perfectly fine 69 Camaro body to make the new Camaro and so far find is quite gross....hopefully that will change when I see a REAL production car in person...hopefully.

If its running good #'s,who cares what it weighs. If it ran that fast for them on street tires,just imagine what drag radials are going to do...especially on a stick car.

When you have a new Camaro and you beat more than 2 Challengers stock vs. stock,then you can laugh.
Old Feb 12, 2008 | 01:32 PM
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Wink Higher Revolutions

Hello LS1!!!!

**** you have that right! I have went down with a HEMI and a LANCER while being in an LS1. Hemi Dodge engines perform better on a roll at higher revolutions........ One of My TA performs the same way on a Roll... while my other WS6 TA can take a Crotch Rocket off the line and not on a roll.

That's my favorite measurement.... if you can beat or keep up with Bike, you have a very decent ride.


Originally Posted by christianjax
are you talking from experience? Because I'm also a member on chargerforums.com too, (and I own a Hemi) and there's plenty of video evidence of SRT's chasing down cars that get hole shots on them. Hemi's have never been off the line beasts, they make their power in in the higher revs and have peak torque at a high for V8 rpm. Unless you have driven a hemi and just go by the numbers it doesn't add up. If you have ever driven a crotch rocket bike then you know what I'm talking about. Not much off the line, but once they get in the higher revs the power multiplies rapidly. Same with the Hemi's. And the wieght of the Charger/Challenger isn't going to help on hole shots either. Don't believe me? go drive one. There is a noticable rush of power at around 3500-5000rpm's. Not so on my LS1. The power is available off idle and gradualy builds. Given enough time, the SRT WILL chase down cars that get quicker starts. That's why SRT drivers prefer racing from the roll as opposed to from a dig. That's where the SRT has the advantage and the owners know it.



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