I actually think 4.9 and 13.3 is very respectable for that car. There is quite a bit of weight to get moving.

 

That's not going to be an issue. We're probably looking at 30% more HP in the 5th gen over the 4th gen.

 

The GT500 has ~30% more power than the 03/04 Cobra, weighs ~10% more, yet is only marginally faster.

 

maginally faster is still faster.



.... and you know as well as anyone how good those 03/04 Cobras were. That's a tough comparision for any car.

 

I also know how good the LS1 was - an equally tough comparison for any car.

 

Yeah, and an old friend of mine bought a 02 Camaro SS, two weeks later he ripped off a 12.98 at the track. And he was getting excellent mileage, a hell of a lot better than those posted for the Challenger.

Sorry, but a 'muscle car' over two tons, that's ridiculous. Reminds me of Cartman when he was eating the protein shakes and turned into a fatter slob, and kept saying "I'm sooooo Buff".

 

True...but they keep talking about 30mpg and 400 hp......I highly doubt they'd drill that into people's minds, and get them excited for 2 years - only to deliver poorer mileage than the 'Vette.

In any event - It WON'T be getting Challenger-mileage.

 

where did you get information its going to be 30% more hp?

for all we know it may just get the same engine as a G8, which would put it at about 5% more power or so.

with the weight that it will possibly gain, that power may be melted away, or worse, slow it down in comparison.

 

i think its pretty safe to assume that it will get poorer mileage (in V8 form) than the vette, when the vette has the weight advantage AND aerodynamics (both by a considerable margin).

 

I don't know...that'd be VERY stupid to, like I said, drill that into people's minds - if it doesn't get close.
Not saying I disagree with you Just...pondering.

 

The Challenger milage isnt really that bad for 4000lbs, 400+hp car.

An automatic GTO was rated at what? Highway was low 20s. According to current standards it would be rated at 14/19. By current standards, a 3400lb 2002 Z28 with an automatic would be rated at 16/23.

Actual numbers will of course very, but for a full size car that weighs 4000lbs and ought to be able to run a low 13 second quarter on the box, it seems to fit right where it should be. I'm sure these cars will solidly be in the 12s with simple bolt ons.

 

I hope we're still laughing when the Camaro hits the scales.

 

I dont care how heavy it is, as long as it dont outweigh a truck. I really wouldnt even care if it only got 20 mpg. If I wanted a gas saver, Id get a damn festiva or a geo. Bring me a muscle car. Heavy but not too heavy, fast, and somewhat decent gas mileage. By the time the new gas mileage requirements go into effect, they will have plans to make it mandated 50 mpg average in a few more years after that. You can only protect people from their self for so long before it just gets rediculus....

Dont get me started on gas prices, there is more than enough oil in storage to run our own country for plenty of years, besides what is being produced here, and all over the planet. Its all a big political BS game. Im gonna stop there because I know theres gonna be someone to argue with it and Im not goin in to any more on that.

 

I find it odd that the "Lighter" Challenger does 0-60 in 4.9 when I know people with "Heavier" SRT8 Chargers that can do it in 4.8. And the Challenger is 200 lbs less. That doesn't add up. I can also vouch that MY Charger got noticably quicker after it hit about 10,000 miles. Don't be shocked to see REAL Challgers running more like 4.5 to 60mph.
And yes the gas milage does suck. My 5.7 Charger gets a BEST of 23mpg on the highway (at 80mph) While my Trans Am get's between 26-28 mpg at the same speed. (and is quicker). But haven driven a SRT Charger, I can say that the car felt as if it would handle just as good as my Trans Am. The real beauty of the Hemi is not off the line by the way. Those beasts need to rev to make power. Once they get thier stride they are monsters. An SRT will chase down a lot of cars with the lead.

 

There's plenty of people glad you aren't getting one... the SRT8s are basically sold out.

Also, FWIW: the mileage is on par with the SRT8 300 and Charger.

Pretty dumb statement on 3 counts.

1. That 8 year old Trans Am sold in fewer annual numbers than the GTO, so it's hardly representitive of what sells even to enthusiasts.

2. That Challenger DOES beat that 8 year old Trans Am.

3. As pointed out, you had better wait till the Camaro comes out before you start beating your chest. Independent rear suspension isn't the best way to deliver alot of torque to the pavement. Combine that with the extra weight the 5th gen will have over that Trans Am, and you shouldn't be surprized if the V8 Camaro is no faster (save the 2011/12 LSA version which will likely cost significantly more than the SRT8 Challenger)