Arizona Speed And Marine TB GP

In response to the previous thread we will kickoff the AS&M Throttle Body GP.
We need (10) initial orders to make it go through.
I will keep an active count on here so people know if it's going to happen.
I am running this on another board so it should help the numbers.
The GP will run until 8/6/04.
All orders should be delivered by 8/13/04, unless we have an absurd amount of orders that would put AS&M on overtime production.

Price will be $429.97 shipped for 54mm and 58mm sizes.
$479.97 shipped for the Monoblade.
They don't make a 52mm anymore.
702-798-8504
sales@cmotorsports.com
pm's
Let's make this happen.
Dave

Im in thanks alot dave. awesome deal

Remember, I need you guys to call me just like your ordering, to keep my tally straight.
You're welcome Munson.
:cool:

ill call and order mine monday

Im in for the monoblade. Ill call in the next couple of days.

Brandon

I am in, called and left a message to get a return call.
My question is: What is considered Ultra High Performance on the Mono blade?
I have a 12-1 CR, 383 with 6" rods.

The CFM is not that much of a difference.

Jim
PS: I told you I was not going to let the original post die....

I am in, called and left a message to get a return call.
My question is: What is considered Ultra High Performance on the Mono blade?
I have a 12-1 CR, 383 with 6" rods.

The CFM is not that much of a difference.

Jim
PS: I told you I was not going to let the original post die....

Pure and simple, if it's a naturally aspirated motor spinning hard, every bit helps.
With the monoblade having all restrictions removed in the center, along with you taking out the center post of your manifold, it will only help you.
Their is no blower or turbo to aid you in getting your air, if I was running mine all-motor I would run as big of an intake setup as I could get.

What would you suggest for me.. lloyd elliot will be doing my heads and porting the intake manifold.. He suggested a 52mm but as u said they dont make those anymore.. its a 350 with his le1 cam 226/234

What would you suggest for me.. lloyd elliot will be doing my heads and porting the intake manifold.. He suggested a 52mm but as u said they dont make those anymore.. its a 350 with his le1 cam 226/234

The 54mm will be fine, again, naturally aspirated running hard, get it all the air you can.

The order is at (1) right now.

The one order so far is mine and yes its for the mono-blade :bow: . Put out the extra few bucks and get the mono-blade. Trust me, from talking to all the big dogs with really fast (10 & 9 sec.) N/A cars, the mono-blade is def the way to go. Thanks for all the help dave, and ill keep you posted on how the ole T/A runs by the end of the summer :thumb: .

(2) Now

Thanks for putting this GP together. I'll let you know by 8/6/04.

(3) Orders

Three orders now, I just ordered the Monoblade.

Jim

I'm going to be ordering one. I'm trying to decide if I want the mono blade or not.

Did those people you talked to mention what hp that is required for?

Tom

dave, i havent been able to get ahold of lloyd lately.. do you think i should just have him port my intake manifold to fit a 58mm throttle body? How much would that help me on my setup? im already doing the heads/cam and he's going to port my intake manifold but just the inside.. Anyways what do you suggest

dave, i havent been able to get ahold of lloyd lately.. do you think i should just have him port my intake manifold to fit a 58mm throttle body? How much would that help me on my setup? im already doing the heads/cam and he's going to port my intake manifold but just the inside.. Anyways what do you suggest


Sent pm on this.
:)

For those who are wondering wether or not to get the monoblade, get the biggest TB you can afford. It will only hurt you if you dont give your heads the amount of air they need to flow up to their potential to make optimal HP. If your TB is able to flow a little more than your engine needs, that only gives you room to grow in the future. If you want a little more info on this, search the advanced tech section because they had a thread about this not too long ago. Of course if you dont have your intake cut out for the monoblade you are not going to see that much of a gain, as goes with the 54 & 58mm.

Lets just make sure we keep this GP going. I think we can get atleast 20 willing customers ;) . Afterall, Cmotors deserves the business for all they do and if all goes well maybe this GP thing will happen more often :bow:

Brandon

Orders are up to (4) now.

Call combination and ask.
I was going to say 58mm until I saw you 100 shot.
I am not sure with NO2

I just spoke with Lloyd this morning from his mothers hospital room bed.
Things don't look very good for his mom.
He is going to be taking care of family.

Jim

would a monoblade be too much for me? I'll be on stock heads/cam for awhile, untill i buy a daily driver. Could having too big of a TB cause problems? or less potential HP gains compared to the smaller ones?

-Robert

I would call Combination MS and ask, but.... I purchase parts for the finished product in mind as long as it does not hurt performance.
I.E. I got 42 pound SVO injectors on a Cam and LT header car but had to program the chip so it could handle the large injectors, so the DUTY cycle was less than 50 percent. I am not purchasing racing parts twice anymore. If I were you I would go with the Mono and have the car tuned to adapt to it.
Why buy a 54 or 58 tb only to take it off and sell it later for a reduced price and then have to buy a monoblade?
I pretty much knew what I was going to build two years ago, it just too a while to get there.
Just my .02

Jim

Pure and simple, if it's a naturally aspirated motor spinning hard, every bit helps.
With the monoblade having all restrictions removed in the center, along with you taking out the center post of your manifold, it will only help you.
Their is no blower or turbo to aid you in getting your air, if I was running mine all-motor I would run as big of an intake setup as I could get.

What about the long unsupported span on the shaft, especially when used w/FI? Is there a problem with it flexing and/or bowing?

hey dave how bout doing a gp on bosch/svo injectors also i need some 30#ers and so do alot of other people.. i have another thread for this

hey dave how bout doing a gp on bosch/svo injectors also i need some 30#ers and so do alot of other people.. i have another thread for this

I wish I could but that's a tough one.
Everyone sells the SVO's at a very low price.
Jeg's and Summit pretty much own the price on those.
The order number is to (5)
Keep 'em coming.

How do you guys feel the monoblade will respond in roadrace or autocross conditions?

How do you guys feel the monoblade will respond in roadrace or autocross conditions?

What size motor you are running is part of the equation.
The efficiency of the motor at the rpm's you are seeing on the track is another key.
Obviously with road racing, you are in the high rpm range for extended periods of time.
A mono-blade would be an excellent idea if you are running a solid roller 383 that is spinning around 6500-6800 and consuming mad air because of extremely efficient heads.
If you are rolling around in a heads/cam/bolt-on car it's quite a different story.
If you like you can pm me with details on your setup.
Orders are up to (6)

Let's get it going you guys, still 6 and holding.
What happened to the 10+ guys on the original thread?

I'm still trying to find out if the Mono blade is going to work for me.
There just isn't much information on it.

Munson,
I have some 30lb injectors that I was going to use but decided I needed 42 so I'm going to be selling them. Let me know if you are interested I just received my 42's

I'm still trying to find out if the Mono blade is going to work for me. There just isn't much information on it.

Here's what I've got on the mono-blade:
1) it looks WAY cool from the front. :metal: 2) you can't tell at all when the bellows is installed. :think: 3) Flow rates on the dual 58mm TB's are higher than any N/A small block could dream of... monoblade MAY flow more for nitrous guys, but we're talking 4-digits hp here. In a boosted application it's pointless again... but in a TB situation it doesn't really matter, can't have TOO much. ;) 4) there is NO idle passage/circuit with the mono-blade design... you'll need to drill the blades for idle air and then hope you can tune out any split BLM's it may cause.:( 5) Automatic guys are really gonna hate either one initally. Some find the 52mm or 54mm is a perfect swap from stock, but by the time you get to 58mm+ the amount of air flow vs. throttle angle (%) is really changing from stock settings. As a result you need to adjust the shift parrameters to avoid soft shifts and burnt converters. Manual guys are unaffected, it just feels "more crisp" or "responsive" as the air flow allowed in is greater for the same part-throttle position you used in the 48mm.
Not saying it's all right, but that's what I've read and it seems to make sense. Granted there's a bigger discount on the mono-blade than the 58mm, but it's still more cash and you inherit the "no idle circuit" issue.

Automatic guys either will require LT1_Edit or Tunercat tuning to get things done... although there WAS some talk of a custom cam to solve the 58mm issue... but I got tired of the calculus involved (shouldn't be too rough though if your good with mathcad). :)

Let's get it going you guys, still 6 and holding.
What happened to the 10+ guys on the original thread?Had to push it back a few weeks... Getting paid next Friday so if it's still up and available I'm seriously looking at 58mm (broke some hockey gear so I had to dip into my "toys" account :rolleyes: go figure)



wow... just notice the price is listed as SHIPPED. Great deal. :)

Thats some interesting info,

Dave can you check with AZ S&M and see what they advise being done for idle and BLMs with the mono blade?

If thats true I'm not sure that is going to be for me

Thanks

Here's what I've got on the mono-blade:
4) there is NO idle passage/circuit with the mono-blade design... you'll need to drill the blades for idle air and then hope you can tune out any split BLM's

Dave (or anyone else) what's your take on this...
I'm undecided between the 58mm and the Monoblade

The monoblade still uses the IAC. It is just routed to the common plenum. I am going to leave the idle air hole intact at the front of the intake and try mounting a small elbow in there in order to utilize the separate idle circuit.

Lets go guys...

I just ordered a monoblade :)

Wow, see what a little guilt trip does?
:D
I talked to Ben at AS&M and we pretty much agreed on the setups that should or should not see a mono-blade.
Their are big-block cars that live comfortably with this unit, so it's cfm capabilities are awesome.
We have it on our F1R 383 that pushes just over 800+ to the wheels.
RPM and capacity still dictate the use of one of these.
He and I agreed that if you are a 383 or better living in the upper rpm band consistently, you would benefit form the mono-blade.
A hydraulic 383 making 400 to the wheels is going to live well with a 58mm setup.
The guy who's making 500 to the wheels on his solid roller setup is probably going to take advantage of the mono.
It will most likely take a little from the bottom end torque, but the motor is going to gain on the top end.
A well built, strong pulling setup is going to have gear or stall come into play as well.
I think these parameters are a good guideline:
Bolt-on, H/C cars, 54mm
High RPM or Extended RPM H/C, Hydraulic moderate 355 and 383's, 58mm
Aggressive Hydraulic 383's and beyond, Mono.
This is by no means the rule, just a suggestion.
Orders are up to (8) right now.
If this guideline makes you feel the need to change your order, please feel free to pm me or call.

Thats some interesting info,

Dave can you check with AZ S&M and see what they advise being done for idle and BLMs with the mono blade?

If thats true I'm not sure that is going to be for me

Thanks

I was almost going to tell you it was way too much for what you have, and then I saw your forthcoming weaponry.
Nice.
Well, anyone who is gearing up for the task of tuning their solid roller setup, is going to be working a bit on BLM's anyway.
Yes idle charcteristices of the Mono have been a little harder, but it's not like it's a cookie cutter tune for a bolt-on LT1.
Expect a little work for an advantage in flow.

The monoblade still uses the IAC. It is just routed to the common plenum.

IAC without the IAC circuit in the intake, makes the IAC pointless, or, without function. IOW, IAC circuit (in intake) is part of the package. Without it, the IAC doesn't function as oem intended.

I emailed AS&M (Ben) the first part of the week, regarding the reason for the omission, of the oem IAC circuit, in the TB. Fail to understand the logic. No reply as of yet. Appears it will take a phone call.

The monoblade still uses the IAC. It is just routed to the common plenum. yeah, so does the Holley and a few other TB's... most of which cause split blm's... and are fixed by segregating the idle circuit to BEFORE the throttle blades. I think it really comes down to cylinders 1 and 2 pulling more vacume than the idle circuit, and as a result the "open plenum" idle circuit is pointless. Having a passage that uses atmospheric pressure to push air into a vacume is fine... that's how the idle circuit works, but hoping that a circuit open to a vacume (the plenum) somehow is going to move air into a slightly harder vacume (the runners) just isn't gonna cut it.

Some find the work around for this is just to elliminate the idle circuit and drill holes in the throttle blades... although you may still get split blm's to deal with this... obvisouly not impossible, quaite a few people make the mono blade (and other aftermarket TB's with an open idle circuit) function. But there will be some additional tuning gremlins to track down.

I am going to leave the idle air hole intact at the front of the intake and try mounting a small elbow in there in order to utilize the separate idle circuit. Good Idea, that's basicly what a stock TB does, but with the monoblade obviously it's not possible to keep the integrated passage in the middle of the TB. Make sure you post pics/specs... that'd be a killer fix if it works for you. Might take some reworking of the idle circuit (the lower pintle that regulates air flow in the stock/closed design, which is useless in an open configuration).

I emailed AS&M (Ben) the first part of the week, regarding the reason for the omission, of the oem IAC circuit, in the TB. Fail to understand the logic. No reply as of yet. Appears it will take a phone call.
Good luck getting a reply. I sent two separate emails for info on teh reccomended gaskets for their LT1 headers and havn't heard a thing in months.

I called about a "fully ported" intake they prepped for a car in GMHTP and had to call back 3 times after being placed on infinte hold. Impressed with their products, not so much the customer service or more precisely the "tech support".

I know Jordan Musser ran one with his turbo setup and said it idled fine. Someone might want to email Jordan and ask him how he delt with this issue. At least he answers emails ;)

Does anybody have a good picture of the floor of one of the monoblades? I think there is a hole on either side of the blade. So, I think it is still pulling air from the front side of the plate. I have not seen a good picture of the bottom. Dave, is there a hole on each side ?

hey dave are you shipping these out yet?

hey dave are you shipping these out yet?

Nope, I only have 8 orders.
I need two more.
Don, I will pull the intake off after lunch and take a look.

Dave,

PM sent to you thanks!

Dave,

PM sent to you thanks!
PM sent back.

For anyone inquiring, there is a hole just in front of the blade.
It is about a 1/4 in. wide and about 3/16 in deep going into the manifold.
The hole behind the blade is about a 1/2 in in diameter.

Thanks Dave.
So, all you should have to worry about is getting a piece of pipe from the back one to the idle air hole in the manifold. You should be able to do this with some copper or brass tubing.

PM sent back.

For anyone inquiring, there is a hole just in front of the blade.
It is about a 1/4 in. wide and about 3/16 in deep going into the manifold.
The hole behind the blade is about a 1/2 in in diameter.


PM returned thanks again!

Outcast makes it (9) orders now.
Just one more gets it done.
;)

TTT, I am not going to let this die.............
Can this be linked over to another board????

Jim

On the 'list', but have made initial contact, with phone call from Ben @AS&M, regarding relevant IAC issue. Asked me to forward links (I sent 3) explaining/identifying problem, which Ben didn't appear to be aware of. ??? Would much prefer followup 'closure' with AS&M prior to financial commitment.

arnie go ask someone in advanced tech like mindgame they can surely tell you what size will be appropriate

For all those intrested in modifying the AS&M TB for IAC, here is what I did.

http://www.chipsbyal.com/idle/tbi.htm

HTH
Kenny

One of the 3 links (aware of 4) explaining the problem with corrective measures, that I emailed to AS&M. I have difficulty understanding why the purchaser needs to modify the TB, tying a loose end mfr. shouldn't have left open, in the first place.

Arnie, I agree. It is something they could easily rectify.

I also find it difficult to believe someone hadn't approached AS&M prior to this, regarding the IAC issue. AS&M appeared baffled, to hear there has been an issue with the IAC circuit.

could be the 10th guy! only cuz need the mononbade just not sure bout that Iac thing!! anyway, also, how long before the orders shipped and Dave do u have enough available(monoblades)to fill the order or with their be a backorder issue? hanks for the info !

he needs one more order for the gp to go through then i think he's shipping them give him a call :D

he needs one more order for the gp to go through then i think he's shipping them give him a call :D

Well as soon as this whole Monoblade situation gets resolved I'll pick one up. But I dont risk getting something that Im not going to be happy with. :)

Well as soon as this whole Monoblade situation gets resolved I'll pick one up. But I dont risk getting something that Im not going to be happy with. :)

same here...

he needs one more order for the gp to go through then i think he's shipping them give him a call :D

Is this a GP, or a GP of 10.....period? Why order 10, then order 2 or 3 later. Once 10 is reached, set a date/time limit, THEN place the complete order. That is how a responsible GP is conducted.

Is this a GP, or a GP of 10.....period? Why order 10, then order 2 or 3 later. Once 10 is reached, set a date/time limit, THEN place the complete order. That is how a responsible GP is conducted.


The person running the gp needs 10 orders for the gp to be a go. Once he has the 10 order then everybody will get what they paid for. its just not for 10 orders and thats it.

yeah he just needs atleast 10 to be able to do it

The person running the gp needs 10 orders for the gp to be a go. Once he has the 10 order then everybody will get what they paid for. its just not for 10 orders and thats it.

Technically, you didn't pay for anything, yet! Your CC account has not been charged. It won't be till the GP becomes official. The CC info is just proof of commitment. Any M.O.s won't be cashed until, as well. The magic number of 10 equates to a GP, that, at that point in time, becomes official and in force, not necessarily, the end of same.

what exactly were you having a problem with arnie? will it not work on your car?

see page #4.

Do they have iac issues on their 54mm throttle bodies too? also how does this affect your idle? is it a major issue or just something u want fixed

Technically, you didn't pay for anything, yet! Your CC account has not been charged. It won't be till the GP becomes official. The CC info is just proof of commitment. Any M.O.s won't be cashed until, as well. The magic number of 10 equates to a GP, that, at that point in time, becomes official and in force, not necessarily, the end of same.

Well, thanks for clearing that up.
Did I miss something?
When did this become an irresponsible gp?
Did I say somewhere that everyone's card had been billed?
If you read the first post there is a date explaining the deadline to get the MINIMUM 10 orders in, and there is a date for the LATEST receiving date.
I don't mean to sound boligerant, but you make it seem as if this our first rodeo and everyone's been led astray.

Well, EXCUSE ME Dave...... Take a look at the post(s) I responded to! Maybe someone should have educated some of the guys that signed themselves up to this GP!!!!! You are giving ME a 'hard time' because others can not read? LOL

EDIT: Way to go, Dave! I was actually 'backing you up'. Oh, and... your welcome!!!!!!

arnie dave's a good guy he wasnt being mean about it.. you should really go talk to someone in advanced tech about the IAC thing.. alot of those guys have as&m tb's and know what they are talking about.. tha is if you cant get any response from as&m

Please do your home work, Munson. And please, (re)read my previous posts.


Also, Dave's a big boy now, he can 'speak' for himself. I responded precisely the way he worded his post. Maybe he should backup a page and 'catch up', b4 he decides to take my post out of context. Ya, he's missing somethin' alright.

Look, we got vendors here that are trying to hook us up with a deal. They need to have 10 sold in order to get the good pricing. Its not that hard to understand. Once ten AS&M TB's are sold then they will sell them to us for that price. If we dont get 10, then CMS will contact each of us and give us some sort of discount (not as good as a GP), or we can cancel the order.

I myself am stoked that there may be an opportunity to save 70 bucks and no matter who you talk to there will need to be a fix by the customer! Just about every TB needs modification (whether its IAC or TPS sensor). If you want a monoblade and you know there may be an IAC issue, then research the fix for yourself. Thats what I am doing. Just because Dave at CMS or anyone at AS&M cant answer the question, doesnt mean its a crap product. I need one whether or not the company selling it knows the issue. I'll worry about it myself for the $70 savings.

Arnie - I am not taking shots at you, rather stating my position because i need a monoblade and i am excited about the opportunity to get one with a discount.

Well, EXCUSE ME Dave...... Take a look at the post(s) I responded to! Maybe someone should have educated some of the guys that signed themselves up to this GP!!!!! You are giving ME a 'hard time' because others can not read?
No, everyone that has signed up had been told that their card wouldn't process until the ten orders were met.
At the moment the ten orders were met, Ben would receive a call on how many to ship to me.
At the exact same time I receive the shipment, we box them and they are gone, and everyone is billed.
Anything after ten orders would be placed to AS&M by the 6th.
When you call someone's GP irresponsible, you need more than assumption on what has transpired.
I have also asked everyone that has placed an order what their setup is in hopes of them not going in over their head or buying something not necessary.
Not every detail of every transaction is going to end up on the board here for approval.

No, everyone that has signed up had been told that their card wouldn't process until the ten orders were met.
At the moment the ten orders were met, Ben would receive a call on how many to ship to me.
At the exact same time I receive the shipment, we box them and they are gone, and everyone is billed.
Anything after ten orders would be placed to AS&M by the 6th.
When you call someone's GP irresponsible, you need more than assumption on what has transpired.
I have also asked everyone that has placed an order what their setup is in hopes of them not going in over their head or buying something not necessary.
Not every detail of every transaction is going to end up on the board here for approval.

Dave, so we are all set, 10 orders are in? When should i expect to see mine (I live in MA).

Just about every TB needs modification (whether its IAC or TPS sensor).

Quick, can you explain to me why that is necessary. I'm making an attempt to find out why, from the source. A reread of my previous posts will reveal that.

If you want a monoblade and you know there may be an IAC issue, then research the fix for yourself.

I know EXACTLY what the fix is. I have for a couple of years. Again, do you know why this has not been resolved/corrected by mfr.? Obviously, no one here knows, that why I'm going to the source. Is there anything wrong with getting some facts?

Just because Dave at CMS or anyone at AS&M can't answer the question, doesnt mean its a crap product. I need one whether or not the company selling it knows the issue. I'll worry about it myself for the $70 savings.

That is probably what AS&M figures. Why bother correcting the issue, when it will sell, regardless. :)

Arnie - I am not taking shots at you, rather stating my position because i need a monoblade and i am excited about the opportunity to get one with a discount.

No problem with that. Others are as well.

Arnie,

I dont know why the IAC issue hasnt been resolved because like you i have seen posts about it in the past. the only thing I know is that there have been documented fixes (I'll check my favorites menu on my computer at home) and those fixes seem to work if you want a monoblade.

As far as other manufacturers like Holley (sticking blades and needing the TPS adjusted) and BBK needing the TPS adjusted. These are things that alot of us have learned to live with. We shouldnt have to, but we are in a such a hurry to get are cars going we cant wait on the manufacturers. Kind of like give me a nickle now or a quarter tomorrow, sometimes we go for the nickle now ;)

When did this become an irresponsible gp?.......When you call someone's GP irresponsible, you need more than assumption on what has transpired.

Where the HELL did I post that the (this) GP is irresponsible? You're a funny guy, Dave. You also read as well, as some of the guys that have posted in this thread. If you are gonna accuse someone of something, you'd better have your $hit together. As I edited in a previous post, I was actually backing you up. :shaking head: If you are not gonna bother (or have the time) to catch up on relevant previous posts, have the respect to at least ask for a clarification, if you are unsure.

Dave, so we are all set, 10 orders are in? When should i expect to see mine (I live in MA).
No, that was a theoretical example in explaining the situation.
We are still at 9 and I have about four maybes.

Is this a GP, or a GP of 10.....period? Why order 10, then order 2 or 3 later. Once 10 is reached, set a date/time limit, THEN place the complete order. That is how a responsible GP is conducted.

As if to say it is not a responsible GP?

Arnie,

I dont know why the IAC issue...... Kind of like give me a nickle now or a quarter tomorrow, sometimes we go for the nickle now ;)

That is human nature. :) I'm on list as well. However, if I'm gonna get one, what is wrong with getting one that does not need mods to function as oem? :shrug:

As if to say it is not a responsible GP?

In politics, that would be labeled 'putting a spin on it'. :)

In politics, that would be labeled 'putting a spin on it'. :)
I pm'd you for clarification then.

That is human nature. :) I'm on list as well. However, if I'm gonna get one, what is wrong with getting one that does not need mods to function as oem? :shrug:

There is nothing wrong with that. We'll be waiting along time is the only problem :)

Tenth order just came in.
I'm going to call everyone to confirm their info and then I will be getting a hold of Ben.
Any TB ordered from now and until the 6th probably won't ship until 8/11.
FYI

Here's Jordan's photo's and experience with the monoblade... apparently there was an idle issue from a plastic fitting, although I havn't heard this from more recent sources so it may have been a freak 1-time thing, or AS&M improved the retention design since then http://fastblackcar.com/camaro/monobladeandintakemanifold.html

Here's a nice shot of the monoblade on a custom intake manifold: http://www.worldisround.com/articles/12201/photo70.html

As for the idle circuit issue? I dunno, I'm almost positive though that this a manufacturing thing that some aftermarket designer "thought" would be fine for the LT1, and would allow the plenum-feed to be an idle for other GM engines that don't have a dedicated idle passage. Unfortunately the LT1 may still regulate the flow through the idle circuit, but dumping it into the front of the plenum makes for unequal distribution... especially considering the firing order differences in each bank.

Not a big deal, but it may be just a manufacturer convience for expanding their market... I dunno. Fixable though. (BTW, the 58mm AS&M is probably the only LT1 TB available that doesn't need this fix... very nice piece of work)

Not every detail of every transaction is going to end up on the board here for approval.


Did you okay this with arnie?? :no: tisk tisk if not! :lol:


Glad to see the shiny TB's will be getting sent soon :D

Thats good enough for me. Im ordering it tomarro.

so dave when are the initial 10 orders going to be shipped out? im ready to see this work of art

so dave when are the initial 10 orders going to be shipped out? im ready to see this work of art

Very good chance he's shipping the ten to me tomorrow, which means I will receive them by Thurs. or Fri.
From there they are dispersed.
I will let everyone know when I have them in my possesion and from there check emails.

It's possession you silly goombah .


Oh ya, send me some intake gaskets :D

do these come with a gasket?

do these come with a gasket?

I would hope so.

me too lol.. they better they are expensive

do these come with a gasket?


Yes they do.

dave whats the status on these?

dave whats the status on these?
Status is, they left from AS&M yesterday.
I was hoping to see them today, not sure if that's going to happen.
I still haven't had the FEdEx guy come by yet.
If they arrive tomorrow, they go out tomorrow.

Dave, I have called a few times to confirm my monoblade, left a message one time.
You guys must be super busy!!
Just confirm that I am one of the original ten and I have a monoblade coming in the first batch.
I am currently ported for a 58mm tb and with the monoblade I should only have to grind out the center pc. ....right?

Thanks,
Jim

Dave, I have called a few times to confirm my monoblade, left a message one time.
You guys must be super busy!!
Just confirm that I am one of the original ten and I have a monoblade coming in the first batch.
I am currently ported for a 58mm tb and with the monoblade I should only have to grind out the center pc. ....right?

Thanks,
Jim


Hey Jim, yes you are on the first ten.
James Adams right?

Yep, that is me.

I see where my checking account has been hit for the total.
Does this mean they have shipped?
Sorry but I don't have time to go back and wade through all the post.


Jim

Yep, that is me.

I see where my checking account has been hit for the total.
Does this mean they have shipped?
Sorry but I don't have time to go back and wade through all the post.


Jim
I'm still waiting for FedEx ground shipments today, hopefully on that truck.
They left AZS&M already.

dave where are you at im anxious

Dave I need to give you some info. I called but you were out just call me Monday. Can't wait to play with the new toy! :D

dave whats goin on man?

Still waiting.
I called AS&M today, apparently everything that was supposed to ship on Thurs. didn't.
Ben was also told this as well.
I just wish I had been given the heads up before today, instead of expecting them today.
If these guys were in Maine, I'd be worried, but there in AZ, and that's not too far away shipping wise.
It seems the hold up is the some of the assembly of the mono's, so it's all those guys' fault.
JK
I will post the tracking number I get from them tomorrow so everyone can watch what is going on, and stay tuned to your email for notification.
I still have the order people called in, and that is how they will go out if I'm short the first ten.
Sorry for the delay, but it will come together quick.

Thanks Dave,
No problem, when they ship....they ship.
This is something you don't have a lot of control over, so I appreciate all your efforts.

Jim

Thanks Dave,
No problem, when they ship....they ship.
This is something you don't have a lot of control over, so I appreciate all your efforts.

Jim


Well said Jim I agree!

dave, just letting you know its thursday

dave, just letting you know its thursday
Thanks for the heads up.
;)
I have a UPS tracking number 1Z8478940342519791
There is twelve TB's in that box and it is scheduled to be to me by tomorrow.
Unless Friday the 13th rears it's ugly head, they will all ship out tomorrow from here.

http://wwwapps.ups.com/WebTracking/processRequest

I Linked the ups site to show you guys.

HEY DAVE, !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"dave, just letting you know its Friday and tomorrow is Saturday, then comes Sunday." It is just amazing how these days of the week work and then, they start all over again!

Now for what is really important: We have two hurricanes baring down of Florida. One is expected to go right through Orlando. It not the Hurricane that bothers me, its the tornados.

Jim

be safe jim i have a friend in orlando also.. good luck

All TB's have been boxed and are awaiting UPS pick up.
They are all going out Three Day Select....except Munson's, he's being penalized for daily updates. ;)
Everyone has been notified by email, phone, or pm.
Be sure to check one of them.
The only person who got a pm, was James.
PM me back as as you can James.
Thanks everyone.

All TB's have been boxed and are awaiting UPS pick up.
They are all going out Three Day Select....except Munson's, he's being penalized for daily updates. ;)
Everyone has been notified by email, phone, or pm.
Be sure to check one of them.
The only person who got a pm, was James.
PM me back as as you can James.
Thanks everyone.

Thanks for the deal Dave.

Jon (a.k.a. Paul :p )

haha just making sure you were on top of things.. thanks alot dave :D

Dave . I've have sent you mail on the throttle body . I have not received any responce. Is this GP over?

Dave . I've have sent you mail on the throttle body . I have not received any responce. Is this GP over?

If you've sent the mail in the last three days, our email server went down.
The GP was over on the 6th.

CMS DAve when might hte next Cam GP be?

All TB's have been boxed and are awaiting UPS pick up.
They are all going out Three Day Select....except Munson's, he's being penalized for daily updates. ;)
Everyone has been notified by email, phone, or pm.
Be sure to check one of them.
The only person who got a pm, was James.
PM me back as as you can James.
Thanks everyone.


Big thanks to you Dave! :thumb:

CMS DAve when might hte next Cam GP be?


Stay tuned, probably have something going together in the next month or so.

Thanks you guys.

MY TB came yesterday, what a work of art!!
Thanks Dave.

Now for the tuning, I need to go back and see if I need to drill a hole in the butterfly to help the idle, does anyone know the diameter of the drill that is needed?

Oh, the Hurricane kicked our asses to put it mildly. Then the tornado's did even more damage. They twisted the tops of the trees and picked up stuff and just flung it. Roofs were lifted off houses in some areas. Tomorrow will make the 7 day mark and some people are still out of power! The lower income people are really hurting especially since they have just found out that insurance deductable is a percentage now and not a $500 flat rate. A $200,000 home with a 2 percent ded. is $4,000, OUCH! Some people have a 5% deductable and that is 10 grand before the Insurance companies pay a dime.
Oh and the Sherriff said he would arrest looters, but more than likely they will be shot first. They called in the National Guard to direct traffic so the Sherrif's could enforce the 8 PM to 6 AM lock down.

MY TB came yesterday, what a work of art!!
Thanks Dave.

Now for the tuning, I need to go back and see if I need to drill a hole in the butterfly to help the idle, does anyone know the diameter of the drill that is needed?


Thanks again Dave now get the group purchase on the cam going! :bow:

Dave (and everyone else at Cmotors), really appreciate everything you've done for me. The TB is awesome and so is your guys customer support. I have NOTHING but good things to say about you guys and i will def. recommend you guys to every f-body enthusiast i know. I still need a stall so i will contact you to see what kind of deal you can hook me up with ;)

Brandon

P.S.- Ill keep you posted on how my stock bottom monster turns out :D

Are those that purchased the 58 mm TB aware they actually purchased a 57 mm TB? 2.257" dia.

Are those that purchased the 58 mm TB aware they actually purchased a 57 mm TB? 2.257" dia.
WTF? Wouldn't this be better posted in tech and not the GP? You're riding CMS' nuts pretty hard there.

Are those that purchased the 58 mm TB aware they actually purchased a 57 mm TB? 2.257" dia.

Are you actually aware that if you measured the TB to have a 2.257 inch openings... Then they're actually 57.328 mm. :rolleyes: Still not 58mm, but then again CMS doesn't make the TB's , only hooks up buying customers with a helluva lot of awesome deals, so why knock them? :confused:

WTF? Wouldn't this be better posted in tech and not the GP? You're riding CMS' nuts pretty hard there.

Absolutely NOTHIN' to do with CMS!!!! Time to wake up and understand what I am stating here.

...but then again CMS doesn't make the TB's , only hooks up buying customers with a helluva lot of awesome deals, so why knock them?

No sh*t sherlock. Who stated that they (CMS) did? What on earth makes you think I'm knocking the 'middle man'? Obviously, a couple of guys are missing the point here!! It appears too many are in awe with the glitze and glitter, and forgeting about function. The person's ass being riddin UNNECESSARILY here is the messenger's (mine), for merely stating FACTS!!!

LOL.. okay dude..


You need to get laid. Seriously.

LOL.. okay dude..
You need to get laid. Seriously.

The lites are on, but apparently no one is home.
If you do not understand the intent of any post, ask, instead of guessing, and posting 'smart' (read disrespectful) remarks!!! I trust you understand THAT statement! SERIOUSLY.

(I've edited this post to include the post I was making reference to, so others understand what I am referring to, in case originator would decide to delete his post.) This isn't the first time such comments have been posted.

Anyway.....Dave at CMS organized a GP on a very respected/popular TB. How can I knock that? Well, I'm not. Dave, also apparently has not bothered to scutinize AS&M's work, but he doesn't have to, so I'm not knocking that either. A person should be able to accept, at face value, product identification, from a repitable company. But to knock someone who actually checks the/their work? What am I missing here? Am I to be considered bold, or maybe even arrogant to dare to scrutinize someone's work/product? Why am I being treated as someone 'rocking the boat'? It has become obvious to me, Dave is no different than (guessing here) hundreds of other AS&M owners, in not checking, or being aware of the actual specs. But doesn't it seem odd not one of these owners knows what is going on? Am I the only person that has bothered to check and note these revelations? As 'Ben' of AS&M had noted in one of our several phone conversations in recent history, this TB was designed over 10 years ago, and has been sold to customers since that time as well. Doesn't it strike anyone odd a rep of the AS&M is/was not aware of the actual bore dia. for their TB, or the legitimate documented fix for an apparent design blunder (IAC issue), which as been known for what... 4-5 years? Is it necessary to treat me with ridicule or disrespect for bringing this info to lite? I don't understand it! People/members now know MY side of the story.

Edit: Again, there is no such thing as a 58 mm AS&M TB. At least, up to this point in time anyway.

Edit: Again, there is no such thing as a 58 mm AS&M TB.


Yea.. You're right. Just a 57.328mm AS&M TB. Maybe they were all out of 58mm drill bits, and the closest they could find was a 2 1/4inch drill bit. And used it hoping no one would know.

As far as everyone knowing your side of the story. All that has to be done is begin reading this thread on page 3. From there, all of your posts have all been negative to both AS&M and CMS. You claim Dave was "putting a spin" on what you had typed about running a responsible GP. No.. What he did was read between the lines. Just as well as anyone else viewing the thread would've surely taken your post as a jab to CMS.

Considering the TB issue at hand. We've all learned over the years on how to make them work better as not to cause split BLM's and such. It's not a time consuming modification by any means. Nor is it very difficult. I guess I've been one to just roll with the punches though. I certainly wouldn't post up that my TB was .026 of an inch too small. I mean... WAAAAH :cry: My TB openings are a thumbnail thickness smaller than advertised. I'd just assume call it Accurate w/in .030 of an inch . I can almost guarantee you wouldn't be complaining if the TB was 59mm or even larger than advertised.


PS. Why would I delete my post? I got a sneaky hunch that all pessimists in this world don't get laid enough. Finding anything and everything to complain about.. To sue about.. The raise up their hands as if to ask.. "why me?"

Yea.. You're right. Just a 57.328mm AS&M TB. Maybe they were all out of 58mm drill bits, and the closest they could find was a 2 1/4inch drill bit. And used it hoping no one would know.

I'll give ya this much Shawn, your personality is consistant. :)

As far as everyone knowing your side of the story. All that has to be done is begin reading this thread on page 3. From there, all of your posts have all been negative to both AS&M and CMS. You claim Dave was "putting a spin" on what you had typed about running a responsible GP. No.. What he did was read between the lines. Just as well as anyone else viewing the thread would've surely taken your post as a jab to CMS.

Maybe that's the problem with some people, they spend to much time/effort attempting to read between the lines, in lieu of reading and absorbing what is actually typed/stated. Responsible people make an attempt to determine true intent, B4 making a public judgement call on someone's character. Or, better yet, give a person the benefit of the doubt, B4 receiving a clarifiation. Through PMs, Dave became aware of my true intent, although I can understand his initial personal reaction. :shrug: Part of human nature.

I certainly wouldn't post up that my TB was .026 of an inch too small. I mean... WAAAAH :cry: My TB openings are a thumbnail thickness smaller than advertised. I'd just assume call it Accurate w/in .030 of an inch.

.030" tolerance, that's pretty funny. Some people know alot about CNC machining, while others know next to nothin'. I consider it worth noting, that people recognize their limitations.

Also, apparently you don't consider it an issue when someone misrepresents their product. To some it is important, while others apparently don't care. To each his/her own, I 'spose.

Do you have any proof of these accusations? Or is it just heresay? ;)

Wow. Do you ever have to replace your comma key on your keyboard? Just curious ;) .

And as far as CNC machining goes. I do know a thing or two about tolerances. ;) Even little tidbits such a plastigauge for bearing clearances and such. :p Saying +/- .030" for a TB's advertised opening is close enough to function normally, is all I was trying to say. Course, put into the grand scheme of things in hierarchy order... Say... a +.030 piston in a +.060 block = instant blowby .. Then tolerances become very important. But for a TB.. ehh... not so much.


<- One of the non carers apparently :cool: . It works, and works well, so I don't complain. I see a half full jug of racing gas.. Whooopeee!

Do you have any proof of these accusations? Or is it just heresay? ;)

Well, I'll be the first to admit, I have limitations. :D
BTW, I do have further communication scheduled soon, with AS&M. While some will state it takes a near act of God to get in contact with, or a response from AS&M, I find patience and courteous conversation to be helpful occasionally. Do I expect to reverse the rotation of the earth in the process? Answer: No. :( About all I can expect to accomplish, is to make others better informed, that's about it. I consider it a responsibility/obligation, if I am in the know, about/with info that may go against popular opinion, to post that info, if it may be helpful to others. Afterall, I've learned 'stuff' here from others.

The 'coup de grass' (tongue in cheek) for me personally, was observing the undersized throttle bore, in addition to being aware of the IAC issue. I'm not overly impressed overall. When I pay a 'cadilac' price for somethin', I realize I may not get a cadilac, but I don't expect to be cheated either. Again, no reflection on Dave. Afterall, through his GP, that cadilac price was softened somewhat.

I 'spose I can look at it this way; if elements in my world were perfect, this morning's breakfast wouldn't have gotten cold. :)

I 'spose I can look at it this way; if elements in my world were perfect, this morning's breakfast wouldn't have gotten cold. :)


Have cereal next time... It's grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreat! Although it can get soggy if left alone and uneaten.

The other problem with cereal is the milk gets warm. :(

Arnie...after you work on this .030" or whatever it is with this throttle body, I think you should go after Ford next. Rumor has it the 302 engine is not really a 5.0, but rather a 4.9xxx engine. :shock: :thumb:

hey cmsdave, when is the next throttle body gp going to be. i missed this one but i wont one of these bad. no matter if it is 57 or 58mm.

The other problem with cereal is the milk gets warm. :(



Use a ceramic bowl, and keep it in the freezer when not in use. Tada! :p Problem solved. So long as you eat it semi quickly. Otherwise, you could throw some ice cubes in it. But make sure the milk is homogenized / high fat stuff. Studies have shown that ice in 2% milk makes it turn to the consistency and taste of soy milk.

:D

Dave (at CM) check your PMs.

HEY DAVE or other people with input,

I have a question about porting out the intake for a 93 speed density Z28 with ported intake?
I copied these photos from B. Franker.
Is this correct removal of material?
If I don't remove the lower center section does it restrict that much air flow?
The intake is bolted on the new 383 motor but I can always stuff a rag in it and grind it down an vacummn out the alum filings.
Thanks,
Jim

I hope this works
photo one (http://www.bfranker.badz28.com/misc/monoport1.jpg)
Photo two (http://www.bfranker.badz28.com/misc/monoport2.jpg)

HEY DAVE or other people with input,

I have a question about porting out the intake for a 93 speed density Z28 with ported intake?
I copied these photos from B. Franker.
Is this correct removal of material?
If I don't remove the lower center section does it restrict that much air flow?
The intake is bolted on the new 383 motor but I can always stuff a rag in it and grind it down an vacummn out the alum filings.
Thanks,
Jim

I hope this works
photo one (http://www.bfranker.badz28.com/misc/monoport1.jpg)
Photo two (http://www.bfranker.badz28.com/misc/monoport2.jpg)

Just to let you know, my bud's car is still running fine with the AS&M monoblade and a port job like that. He's not had any problems that I'm aware of.

Thanks Brent.

For the other Monoblade users I got a quick response back from Ben Benavides at ASM.

Here is his answer on the Monoblade:

"That hole is for the idle air circuit. Our TB design does not utilize that
passage."

Jim

Was surfing around and read thru this and thought I might be able to help some of you out. My 396 with Monoblade had wide split BLM's at idle. I put a metal 'gasket' in between the IAC and the TB. I then externally tapped the IAC and ran a fuel line hose to the port on the intake that feeds intake manifold IAC cavity. http://fastblackcar.com/camaro/fullsize/intake.jpg
In the pic Jordon's port has a plug in it. Worked well for me. Good luck.
If I can be of any help let me know.

"That hole is for the idle air circuit. Our TB design does not utilize that passage."

Most of us are aware of that, which includes their 57 mm TB as well. The question is why? According to AS&M these TBs are designed to replace oem TBs, so why isn't the IAC a functional circuit? OEM TBs have a functinal IAC circuit.

There is still one of the original TB engineers on the AS&M payroll, so a legitimate answer SHOULD be forthcoming.

Ok, enough.
This original post was for a Group Purchase of A throttle body and most of the replys have been positive.
The GP has been completed to the members that participated.
If there is discussion on specifications and general 'lack' of knowledge then it is time to close this post and continue the discussion another forum/topic.

Since I was one of the originators that pushed this GP request to purchase (in my opinion) the best TB available for the money spent; I am requesting a or the moderators to CLOSE THIS POST!

Jim
PS : Thanks Dave for your great service and hard work on this GP.