You are comparing a near stock 2000 Mustang GT to a '94 motor swapped, transaxle swapped, turboed Civic. Of course you have more performance per dollar. You also have way more mileage on your car, an older car, an economy car, a fwd car, etc.

So what does your car put out? 450whp reliably? What is the total cost for the car and all the mods?

 

I see two stock '95 Civics in the paper for over five grand each! How are you running low 12s for $5K car included? Yours is a '94, right? Did you get the mods for free?

My buddy got a '90 LX 5.0 with gears, full exhaust, etc. for $2200. He could slap on nitrous, slicks and run low 12s for $3500 or less. That car is nice with about 100K miles on it. V8s are still the best bang for the buck.

 

Total cost of he car was 11k this includes a newly built motor, new suspension,new paint and other cosmetics like wheels and tint. yeah its fwd and yet its still faster than all your car.. oh wait.. your going to say I have more mods than you..then talk about "what if's" what if you had xxx mods.. even though you dont.

 

why is it you dont know anything about modding a type R then you decide to make stuff up, when have you ever heard of anyone building a type to turn 12k? people boost these motors. and since type R's already come with forged rods, they just replace the 11:1 pistons to a lower compression forged and a turbo and a upgrade the fuel system everything stays stock except pistons and fuel system, clutch and tires. and this WILL put out over 400hp reliably which is enough to pull consitent low 11 second passes.

and unlike a 5.0 u dont have to replace the crank,rods,,head,intake,camshaft,oil pump,water pump,timing chain.. then ultimately the block. just to make power in other words you dont replace the entire motor with a type R. doesnt it cost like 10 grand alone in parts you need to replace just to have reliable 5.0 that wont split its block making 420hp??

 

What did you pay for the car? How much was the turbo? Your car and my car is an apples to oranges comparison. You are comparing a built motor, power adder older car to a newer barely modded car. Let's compare an older crotch rocket with nitrous to your Civic. Get my point?

 

When you mod a n/a motor to make more power it must turn more rpm to make the power. It doesn't matter what kind of motor it is. I said that motor is pretty much done being modded SHORT of forced induction, nitrous or boring/stroking. People have gone 10s with the stock long block 5.0 with a turbo only! The stock long block will hold up to about 650 horses. You can add a cheap girdle inside the oil pan for better reliability.

 

car was $1500

 

Bull$hit only a 4 bolt boss block or a race block can support over 500 I love how with each post you just keep on making up stuff about hondas and mustangs

 

87 camaro racer: you need to join a ricer board.

if you think 2nd gen camaros are incest cars and mullet mobiles put your money where your mouth is. i'll put the bit%h on the f'en trailer and cruise out to montana or where ever the hel you are( as long as there isnt snow) and be more then happy to bust your big rim "future mod" "nitrous" a$%. as much as you want. you'v got nice paint and a stupid mouth. i'll un hook the bottle and run you on motor. hell its even a 70s block so it must be slow right? track or street, i dont care, here around detroit we like to do it on the street, but being the pus you sound like you'd prob prefer a track. were ever, when ever. 77 camaro, 10.5 tire. motor, nitrous u pick. or you can retract your statement and say sorry. have a nice day.

 

you willing to drive to NJ??? 87 camracer lives in KC and NJ is closer or are you too much of a pus?

 

hows the weather? maybe......

 

weather is fine, are you willing ?

 

you have a pm

 

Wow there's a lot of BS in here.

There's no replacement for displacement. The end. A 5.7L V8 has more potential than a 2.0L I4.

I don't see why people always argue about vehicle weight, either. If people really want to go fast they'd stick a V8 in a Miata or something and be done with it. I know there's a tuner that already stuck a 5.0 in a Focus, it was featured in a magazine. I would drive that if Focii weren't so ugly . I will not drive a little whiney four banger and call it a performance machine. It's amazing how all these people call overhead cams "technological breakthroughs" and think variable valve timing is going to add 50 hp to a little tiny engine. And the reason people add turbos to four cylinders is because that is the only way to make it competitive with a V8. I haven't heard of any NA 4 cylinders that keep up very well with an LS1, for instance, so there's some proof. I'm sure someone will chime in here about how they've witnessed a bored, stroked, 14:1 compression every bolt-on imaginable Honda beat a bone stock LS1. Wow, you've converted me now. Where do I sign up to drive a "performance machine" that guys my age roll their eyes at and older folks smirk when they see them and hot chicks beat them in their Hyundais and Corollas...

/rant... This subject has been beat to death anyway.

 

\i can give you an example of over 25 hondas in the US that would walk handily over most any street car on here. period. and they would probably have spent less to do it. NA 4 cylinders arent fast. no one ever said they were. what we have been arguing is dumbass people like you that seem to get their jollies off somehow on bashing a persons car.

fwiw, you cant stroke a honda engine to my knowledge. 14:!? wow thats retarded. actually, let me take that back, most of your post was.

as for those older folks rolling their eyes, most of them dont eve care about performance anymore. and you also seem to get the ricer crowd confused with those actually wanting to go fast in their hondas. again it somehow doesnt surprise me.

Bill:
i never said my turd gen was faster than your second gen. i was however using those stereotypes since everyone else seems to be able to use the ricer stereotype with any import. cant take the heat? stay away from the fire.