My bias and ignorance? For stating that a well thought out full bolt on LT1 should have no problem with a bone stock LS1? There is no bias here. There is no "wait until..." coming from me. I see no results, as you stated. He posted a video. Nowhere in his video can the mods of the two cars be confirmed. Nor is there any proof of what tranny/tires each car has.

LS1's get waxed by LT1's everyday. I've already stated that the LS1 is faster stock and the LS1 has a greater potential for maximum power. I don't know what any of you guys are getting at.

It's very easy and very cheap to make an LT1 faster than and LS1.

If a full bolt on LT1's have been in the 11's. Stock LS1's have never gone better than 12.9. If you do a little search you can see that there is plenty of documentation on this. If a full bolt on LT1 gets beat by a bone stock LS1, then there is either something wrong with it, or it was the driver that lost, not the car. It is IMPOSSIBLE for a bone stock LS1 to put out as much power as a well thought out bolt on LT1, all else being equal. ALL ELSE BEING EQUAL IS KEY HERE. If both cars are well maintained and running the same tranny, a well done full bolt on LT1 will make significantly more power than a stock LS1.

 

I refuse to read all the diahria(sp?) of the keyboard that has been going on in this thread and making it another LT1 vs. LS1 crap.

To answer the OP's question pending tracition from both cars the LT1 will take the win in this situation. Assuming no one botches the launch or misses gears etc.. LT1 will win this race. If you think or say different you can join the list of ballsac's. I really dont care. I'm not gonna read any of the crap that you riggs post after me saying OH my almighty god built LS1 doesnt lose to an LT1.Its a bunch of crap. Get off your high horse and get smacked with a dose of reality. LS1 is not the end all of motors. Unless you have statistics to prove your statements I encourage you to keep out of this thread. I will make you look as stupid as the fool with a ugly *** body kit 450hp ls1. That my friends is the definition of BALLSAC. he's got a fast ls1 so he thinks he knows everything and prays daily to his almighty ls1. reality is theres srt4's evo's etc... making more power with half the clyinders that will tear that gay bod kit off your car. Perhaps when that happens people will stop making fun of you.

 

Let me know when your done you sound like a pissed off fat kid that didn't get to eat his cake. Secondly that body kit has been gone for quite some time now, jeez I think the last time I updated that page was in 2007 I could care less if there were geo metros making 10 times the power, like I said before show me a video of a basic bolt on LT1 that walks an LS1 with said mods by 6+ car lenghts and I'll shut up. Until then I'll keep waving my BS flag, the op knows the guy so race him again and film it. Too bad we'll never see a video, because it'll never happen

 

lol i'm uploading a video of my bolt on LT1 walking a stock 6 spd LS1 as i try and find my peice of cake. All im saying is you think that the LS1 is so almighty. A basic bolt on (I/H/E-TUNE) will beat a stock LS1.I really dont see how you cant understand that.
edit:camera is in the LS1. Thats MY bolt on LT1 walking away from a 1st gear roll. Yes its from a camera phone but you can clearly see a LT1 walking away.
http://s65.photobucket.com/albums/h2...=VID_00002.flv

 

You are one of the most vocal LT1 people on here. Every single LT1 thread where there is a hint of disrespect towards the almighty LT1, you chime in - ESPECIALLY if an LS1 is mentioned anywhere. Take off your blinders, you have an extreme amount of bias, WORSE in fact than many of the LS1 guys you're calling out. johnny at least has dyno results of his combo. All we ever hear from you is "wait until..." No dyno results, no track times, just promises of your high 11 second, mid teen trapping combo and how it will bust some LS1 butt and go 10s.

I don't doubt the outcome of the OPs race, as I've stated before. But if I was an LT1 guy, I wouldn't go around bragging that my intake, exhaust, tuned, built trans with converter, gear, and weight reduction LT1 beat on a near stock 200K mile LS1.

 

Id take the LS1 on the big end after it makes up some ground......

 

Havent read any of these posts but this caught my eye. Please let me see this documentation. That 12.9 your talking about wouldnt be the one from the GMHTP magazine test would it There are a few guys who have ran stock LS1 cars to 12.70's, though not common its been done...and for every 11 second bolt on LT1 you speak of I can assure you theres the same amount of 10 second bolt on LS1's. LS cars respond better to mods and tuning simple as that, along w/ having in some cases 50-70 more hp out of the gate.

 

So hold on, let me get something straight here. You run a 14sec 1/4 and you walked away from a stock LS1 that normally runs a low to mid 13 stock? Not only that, but you walked away from him on a roll??? Something doesn't add up here. Here's what i noticed from the video, even if it was a little choppy.

-Looks like a 93-96 Firebird/TA interior from the where the airbag outline meets the pillar.

-If it was an LS1 it sure as hell didn't sound like one, you sure it wasn't a V6?

What is a list of your bolt ons? If you really did beat a stock LS1 with a 14sec LT1 then congrats.

 

I need some body in long island new york with a well maintained STOCK LS1 running 100% and camera to meet up an do a comparison between stock LS1 vs hotcammed LT1. ( will be filmed in mexico). Hopefully this will squash all the b.s.

 

Are you really quoting other threads?

The OP wasn't bragging about beating the LS1. The LS1 had a lid and a muffler delete. He originally posted before the race had even happened, then reposted the outcome. Johnny6 then called BS and stated how there's no way a bolt on LT1 can walk past a bone stock LS1. Everyone knows that bolt on LT1's can and do beat stock LS1's. He then claimed that even full bolt on cammed LT1's can barely take a stock LS1. All of that info is BS. I'm not referencing any numbers from my car here. Just stating facts.

The facts are:

A well maintained, well thought out full bolt on LT1 will always make more power than a bone stock LS1.

It does not take a cammed LT1 to beat a bone stock LS1.

In no way did I ever dispute the hp output of Johnny6's LS1.

I thoroughly enjoy calling out LS guys when they start bs-ing... like when Johnny6 said cammed LT1's can barely pull away from bone stock LS1's.

Johnny6's dyno numbers have absolutely no bearing on who won this race.

Dyno numbers are not the end all. Different dyno's will give you different results. Some cars are just dyno queens. Dyno numbers do not always accurately predict real world performance.

I've NEVER claimed my car will do any specific numbers on the dyno or on the track. I've stated my goals. These goals are attainable.

I will most certainly report back with ET's, Trap Speeds and Dyno numbers as soon as humanly possible so everyone can see them. The first two being the most important, the third just for shhtss and giggles because I'm not real concerned with the dyno, outside of its tuning advantages. It'd just be cool to see.

 

Really? Because according to your sig you have more than just a cam, nice try.

And i will keep calling BS, the OP said he beat him by 7 cars Look at this cammed LT1 barely, and i mean barely pulling on a bolt on A4 LS1.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-uSsQkOz3U

 

Funny you say dyno numbers dont tell the whole story, then you say a full bolt on LT1 will always make more power then a bone stock LS1 which couldnt be further from the truth. Bolt on LT1's range anywhere from the 280's to 310 give or take. Stock LS1's your looking at anywhere from 310-330 rwhp. As far as some LS1's being dyno queens were talking about fbodies here not supras.

 

"Really? Because according to your sig you have more than just a cam, nice try."

whats in my sig? full bolt ons? unless its a budget build, nobody just slaps a cam in a stock motor with out supporting mods . hot cam is a mild cam. so you would agree that my car would pull a bone stock LS1?

 

Sure they do, not everyone has the freedom to break the emissions law so they run Cheatr packages, everything is kept stock except for the tune obviously and they still put down 400+rwhp but i guess numbers don't mean much anymore since the LS1 is a "dyno queen".

I would say it's a drivers race and would probably give you the advantage especially if it's an A4 your going up against, if it was cam only then no.

 

Did I say the average bolt on LT1 would always make more power than the average bone stock LS1? No I didn't. And LS1's don't AVERAGE 310-330rwhp. 310 is on the HIGH side of LS1 dyno's. The average LS1 M6 dyno's somewhere in the 290's. Sure, you can post up a couple of vids of LS1's pulling 310-320rwhp. But how many of the LS1's sold form 1998-2002 actually did that? 310 is not on the low end for a stock LS1. The low end would be more like 280. Not many LS1 fbodies dyno'd that high in the grand scheme of things.

If you take a well maintained LT1 and do a well planned out build with the proper parts and get the right tune, there's no reason the car won't make more power than Stock LS1's. As far as track numbers go, will every bolt on LT1 beat every stock LS1? No way. There are way too many factors such as the driver mod, vehicle condition, traction and a poor parts selection to name a few.

It's funny how this went from a predominately LT1 site to an LS1 is god site. I've never claimed that the LT1 engine makes more power stock or has a higher potential for power. But frankly, this site has been getting old very quickly. As soon as an LT1 beats and LS1 in a race, all the LS1 guys surface with BS calls and lame excuses. I've seen posts on here where a cammed LT1 beat an LS1 with a lid and a catback and out came the BS calls. It's pretty much understood by most non-LS owners, and even some LS owners, that there is an insecurity by LS owners that their cars may not be that far ahead of the pack anymore. They can't admit that there are older cars out there that can and do beat them.

I'm done with this thread.