Heh, does the track you go to cross out the ET and adjust it for the MPH? Glad Supra guys don't do that because they would all have 9 second cars. I had better tell the Mustang guys I know that run high 12's@99 mph they really have low 14 second cars right?

For the power GTO's make, they are lacking in performance.

 

bwahaha....dude....you're in Florida!

I HATE to add to one of these stupid pissing matches but tell the guy with the 6-speed C5 that I pulled on the other night that my car is only good for 100 mph.

that's the 3rd LS1 corvette I've raced (which you'd have to agree is faster than an LT1 f-body and has been accepted since 1997 as a low 13/high 12 car).

the first one (6-speed) was a dead-on tie all the way from 50-130 when my car was stock. I put 2-3 cars on the second one (an automatic) from 20-100 again, when my car was stock. This third one (6-speed) was after my headers and tune and he was stock except for a cold air and a WAY better driver. from 35-100, I pulled a car and was still motoring forward when we let off.

(BTW: This is the first stick-shift car i've ever owned and I've only got about 4600 miles worth of experience with a manual car, so I'm no hot-shoe.)

All i'm trying to say is that if you think an LS2 GTO is a 100 mph car or even a 103 mph car in decent (non-100 degree/100% humidity) conditions, you're ABSOLUTELY mistaken.


that's all i'm going to add. And by the way, I'm NOT some kind of LSx elitist...my username suggests my LT1 roots here....

 

I run up and down RT8 all the time, I'm not lacking in performance. You should sign up for the 60 car rental at Norwalk on Sept 19th.

 

i disagree....

it doesn't work both ways. A high 12 @ 99 mph is an example of a car that makes no power but has a GREAT 1/4 mile setup. Dead hooks, geared correctly, etc. that is WAYYY abnormal for that trap speed.

for a given trap speed, there's pretty much a line where the car simply will not go any quicker (in ET) without more power. 12.90s @ 99 mph is right at about 100% efficiency. I can't see anyone going quicker with those traps.

I personally ran low 12s (and one high 11) at 110-112 MPH in my '98 Z28. wouldn't that alone PROVE that if the Goat is pulling 110 mph there's more than a mid 13 in it?

it all comes down to suspension, tires and driving. most GTOs don't have the right parts in them to hook hard on an IRS and relatively narrow tires. that doesn't change the fact that they'd DESTROY your friends' high 12 @ 99 mph mustangs in a street encounter that went anywhere past 1st gear.

What yellavette was saying is that a car with the power/weight ratio to run a 110 mph trap is absolutely capable of better than a mid-13, IF thats what the owner is trying to get out of it. a mid-13 @ 106-110 is simply NOT making 100% efficient use of the power.

Personally, I don't give a damn what this car runs in the 1/4. On the street, It's a VERY quick car.

 

You gotta realize too alot of the guys with GTO's are older than the LT1 crowd. They cost way too much for someone in their late teens early 20's to afford. In most cases. And face it, a younger person is more likely to beat the **** out of their car than someone who is older, more mature, and can own a car like that. There have been times where I raced my car and short shifted it, didnt launch the **** out of it, etc. just because ... GTO's, the LS1 cars, normally seem to be a little faster on the top end than a LT1 car. The LS2 GTO's are a little faster than the LS1 F-Bodys ... Now everyone stop bickerin about it.

I beat a low 11 second bike 0-60, but I dont think its slow. Drivers can make all the difference in the world...

 

I still have my LT1 car as well as a 05 GTO and I can honestly say as they both sit right now raced N/A the Formula wins in a 1/4. From a role the GTO will pull it. Now with that said the GTO only has a FIPK, new mufflers and the resonator replaced with straight pipes. So nothing big. I am by no means biased to either car or I wouldn't have them both. The thing you need to realize about the GTO is it is HEAVY. The LT1 is also a good car off the line because it make power lower in the RPM range but an LS car will real it in because they make power up top.

 

Have you actually run the goat down the track? I think you might be surprised man. The GTO is deceptively fast because it's pretty weighty and there's a lot of rubbery slack in the stock driveline. It doesn't FEEL like it's accelerating nearly as fast as it is.

With a CAI and mufflers in the same conditions, I think you'd definitely go as quick and probably quicker than 13.30s.

 

What does your car run?

 

You missed my point. If someone runs a 13.5@110 mph, they do not have a 12 second car, they have a 13 second car. Problem is people seem to forget this and embelish...you run a 13 second et, you have a 13 second car..So I can go tell people my Lightning is a 12.0 vehicle because it's mph is high? No, it is a mid 12 second vehicle...end of story because that is the best it can get with the current setup.

Should of and could of mean squat on a timeslip.

 

Yes I have. That's why I say my Formula will beat it in the 1/4. And I live in Vegas and the GTO isn't going anywhere near 13.30 here. The Formula runs 14.0-14.1 N/A pretty consistently here and the GTO runs 14.2. I'm sure if I ran it any where else in the US except up in Denver it's a mid to high 13 second car.

 

Not only did you miss the point, this was a pretty dumb post in general. The mph indicates the power of the car....NOT the et. If it et's mid-high 13's, it's the driver's fault! And yes, if Supra guys could get the power to ground, they WOULD be running 9's. Do you not see the distinction there? You're saying they lack performance even though they trap up to 110. Do you think there's something inherent with the GTO that makes it et slower than other cars that turn the same mph? Cause there's not. Just think what those mustang drivers you refer to could do with a car that trapped 110 instead of 99!

 

I am missing no point. You know, I guess those 3000+ passes down the 1/4, the hundreds and hundreds of cars I have seen dyno then race down the track...the who knows how many cars I have tuned and then race only to have no ****ing ideal of what mph is!!!!

How about this, quit getting all bent out of shape because some lowly LT1 beat an overpriced, slow piece of crap.

You GTO guys are just as bad as half of the retarded LS1 guys now. If a few run very well, then that must mean by default THEY ALL DO?

Why is it always someone else, a friend of a friend, some dude in another state or who knows what else bull**** logic people pull out of their asses in some lame attempt to make their crappy performing cars seem to run better than they REALLY do.

 

MPH only shows the potential for a car in the 1/4 mile. The e.t. is an indicator of the driver, and suspension. I agree more with cantonracer on that point. GTO's have a harder time getting the good e.t's due to suspenion, tires, and IRS, with the trap speed they have. So yes, the GTO does have a disadvantage in e.t. versus some other cars with the same trap speed.

Dan

 

I agree. STOCK GTO's have the POTENTIAL to run in the high 12's. But do to their suspension, tires, ect, they averagely run somewhere in the mid 13's. That is the same as saying the Supra's have potential to run 9's, but they don't hook up well enough to. We are talking about 1/4 mile times for STOCK GTO's here. Not GTO times for lightly modded GTO's or GTO's with better tires. BTW as mentioned previously by me before, I to have seen lightly modded GTO's run 14 second quarter mile runs at SEA LEVEL. I will not say this is the average, but it does happen. Although I have not seen it, I am sure there might be a couple bone stock GTO's in the high 12's. My point again is that on average a STOCK GTO will run somewhere in the mid 13's.

 

I would give the LT1 driver a thumbs up and hopefully strike up a conversation with a fellow car buff if I were beaten by one. That a modded LT1 F-body can beat a GTO should come as no surprise. I would think that we all would have long since established that there is always someone faster. What gets people bent out of shape is when the conversation shifts from that specific GTO being beaten to all GTO's being overpriced, slow pieces of crap. Perhaps it can be best summarized with the statement that disrespect is what gets people bent out of shape.

As for GTO's being overpriced, was a fully-loaded Z28 or SS that much cheaper than a GTO when new? I do not seem to recall them being that much cheaper.



By this logic, would the statement that if a few run very poorly, then they all must run poorly be correct? I have seen (not personally at a drag strip) 1/4 times for stock GTO's ranging from high 12's to low 14's. If I had to quote an average, it would be low to mid 13's. Overall, I would say that either extreme is the exception rather than the rule, with the rule being low to mid 13's.