Sounds to me like Joe is a top knoch chef,and Gary's car picked up some over the run of the mill combo. That fact alone seems to have sparked quite a heated argument. any-whoo this thread is quite amusing and has brought out the best in everyone.

Keep up the good work
Thanks again
Eric

 

Gary would help if you was to the floor with it after you left the starting line lol wasn't like hes was using all 1320 ft. with a good launch and to the wood.... people would have to been at the track to draw a conclusion....right now the disbelief over shadows any reason..no biggie though I'm sure if the day I ran 9.86-9.88-9.89 and there wasnt atleast 80-100 f-bodies owners at the f-body hideout shootout at MIR and the multiple videos that hit the net..my ETs would be doubted too..... Its expected when something is done and people who thought they had all the best parts and thought they had the best heads and combo and then someone post a number like this, that some would be mad at themselves and take it out on the boards...Swallow your pride guys its ok really..I dont know all either and I'm sure someone will better what I have done eventually...will i get upset or doubt them ...hell no...I'll step it up a notch, thats my nature..

 

Understood... car was usually trapping 112 to 114 around this time of year at MIR. I apoligize for not making it more clear. I was listing those trap speeds only with good race conditions.

If you want traction, go to MIR. I've never had a traction problem there. Cecil has its moments but I like MIR much more.
Hopefully you have steeper gears and a stal (if it's an auto) in mind for near future mods?
Well.. Joe.. people who buy into these combos are spending their hard earned cash and expect to have results from them. Of course there's going to be controversy over this setup since it has not yet been proven on the track. You know as well as anyone else that a dyno can be made to say whatever you want it to. I'm not saying that was your motive, but there have been so many cases where customers of different shops get these outstanding dyno numbers yet cannot get an ET to prove what the dyno has generated.
People are slowly starting to learn that a dyno is not a "tell all" of what a motor is capable of and want to see real world results.
IMO if I were to buy into your setup I would surely want to see what it'll run on the track before believing what a dyno says. That is my nature.

 

....never doubt the man behind the lil 388 LT1 runnin' 9's back, to back, to back with nothing more than the air we breathe.

 

Lets be clear about one thing first and foremost. Joe doesn't even know the guys down here at DTP so what have they to gain by inflating my numbers? ESPECIALLY when Frank the owner is considering having his heads worked over by Eric??? I would think he more so than most would want a true number?

Brent and Frank the owners are floored that these cars produced the numbers they have. At first they tried tripping up Quickshot into admitting maybe he had a stroker in there but it isn't. Anyone that knows James anyway knew we wouldn't have had time to swap all of that out in 3 days unless we were putting in a new long block.

No dyno numbers do not tell all but when you can compare your numbers to other cars on the same dyno it gives you a good idea of the power at your foot.

 

Well how do you think I felt when I had my BIG dollar AFR LT4's and my CC306 cam getting TROUNCED by a tinshed ported stock LT1 head and a back woods configured cam??? Want video? It's available. Me vs Kimber on a closed taxiway. How's that for results. That was before. The after; The only thing we didn't do the second time around was shoot video again but lets just say we could have swapped CD's from the 40-50 mph sprint we ran the second time (after Joe and Eric's work). Hell and I did that with the top down and all my crap in the car before Joe's tuning.

Do you really think I wanted to spend even more money on my heads and another cam? .....After I rode in James' car and after he wore my a** out on the taxiway I couldn't wait to write that check.

 

if you dont have the NA HP title I bet you have the most views and reply's in a 2 days Congrats man.

 

LMFAO!!!!!!!

Who knew?

 

I'm glad I have that on video. I'll have to save it, because there is no way I'll be able to beat ya from a roll now.

Guys, the difference in his car is unreal AFTER he already did heads and cam! There is alot of research and experience in his and my setups.

 

could some one explain to me why my car is traping righ with u guys on stock heads Well the 115 trap was during 50 degree weather...during 95+ heat and Ga humidity i am still able to squeze out 112-113ish. My car might not get impressive ETs, but u are for a big suprize from a roll I am guessing i have around 360ish to the wheels (friend dynoed his car same mods as me 353/342) but my car is faster then his. So how come you guys with 400+ hp trapin so damn low?
Marcin

 

Whats funny is James car was questioned on his 399.1 rwhp not less than a month ago with stock ported lt1 castings with stock size valves...I dont make a living doing this stuff ..I helped both these guys reach a goal. more power with what they had to work with...They will both tell you ...I didnt help them for the money I helped them because they were good people..I dont need advertisement on boards nor did I tell anyone to post I did the tuning or cam choice.... I purely helped them because i wanted to share what I learned with guys that werent already quick or dove in to big name shops for help.....Go ahead gary tell them what i charged your for tuning..You to james...As i said this is a side thing for me I enjoy helping people make more power.they caem to me looking for help I helped them...I could care less If I tune another car or grind another cam..my bills still get paid regardless...Gary thanks for the praise, but you know I didnt ask for you to post here... and you know as well as I theres gonna be alot of crow eating when you finally make a "real" pass down the 1320... If you havnt gotten the picture I do this for the enjoyment of seeing something I helped do .make power/or produce a good number.."Not" to make a living at doing...I have enough to do as it is and Eric has enough heads (not lt1's) that he cant even get to a set for atleast a month....So for the people thinking this is advertisement ..Think again
P.S. my nature is helping the lt1 level the playin field with these ls1's sad to see so much rebellion...but oh well I guess ego gets in the way of rejoicing.. But if its any concellation I tuned a cam heads ls1 that put down 435 rwhp with a 224 cam on TEA's dyno adn place 3rd in bowling green to 2 cars with more ci. ..maybe just maybe it isnt pot luck he'll have a special cam in his soon wonder what how the ls1 side reacts ...

 

Of course you didn't ask for us to post but how can we not say anything? We have to tell someone! I made a mistake the first time out doing the H&C. Those AFR's were not flowing what they advertised out of the box (I didn't know that at the time) but they are a good head, obviously. If I had to do it again I probably would have stuck with my stock heads and given those to Eric to work over and saved myself enough money TO BUY A 12 BOLT! Imagine that. I'm not knocking AFR's heads just the "competition" port job I got. That ran me a couple hundred more than I needed to spend however I am happy with the heads now though they probably cost close to what the Dominions are running. That is a joke but it was costly.

For the record I know that I was charged the exact amount of $0.00 for the help. Not sure about James but since you brought this up I'm guessing the same amount.

 

congrats

 

Gary I guess you got what you paid for huh buddy?

To bad its so time consuming or others would be so fortunate..

 

Couldn't tell you for sure but for one they are different tracks. We are on the same track, same heat. I suspect the 306 is a better fit to your stock heads than it was to my AFR's. If you're runnng 112-113ish and I'm running 114-115ish that puts me 2mph higher than you. I would suspect my car has some added weight on yours as well. What's yours weight with you in it? I would also guess you are doing a little better than the 360 you guess. Whatever it is, it's working for you.

As for James he can't hook up. If he had traction out of the hole he lost it at about 30-60'. He could tell you better than I but it is traction I know that.