call futral motorsports.

 

No Really , I’d say from my example that I do. Also, in terms of offering free advice, Bret is probably one of the most valuable and helpful members on this board.

“uniquely qualified”…I’ve done business and exchanged tons of e-mails with BOTH Phil @ Ai and Bret @ BRE discussing my and other LTx setups…Have you? Seriously, have you? I think (not reading back through the whole thread) that his creditability and credentials were in question. I was attesting with first hand experience to both.

I don't think he's claiming to be Vizard. He's offering LTx guys (often young, on small budgets, not the most auto educated, etc.) helpful advise.

It seems to me that the only people unhappy with Bret are people that haven’t done business with him. So, what’s the real reason for the little group of BRE (and LE) haters? Envy, jealousy, think he’s fake, don’t like his attitude, what??? I remember a guy in a similar position several years ago (he went by the screen name “SkarodoM”) that took a lot of similar grief for his upfront honest (some called cocky) posts here. Remember or care to guess who that was?

 

Great. What does any of this have to do with the question at hand?

You said that Bert knew his ****, and you've dealt with various vendors - so what? Again, what does any of this have to do with the question at hand? And what does any of this have to do with any other vendor?

Let's clear up a few misconceptions...I don't know Bert, and I really don't care to. I don't hate him either - I'm just requesting substantiation. And yes, I'd never do business with him - but that's not the point.

Envy? No, I pity him. Jealousy? No. Why would anyone be jealous of someone who has no real experience? Fake? Yes, and he's proven it. Attitude? Yes. When you specifically state that you're better than the guys who've written books on a particular performance automotive subject, or have a decades-long proven track record backed by legitimate customers, you better have the resume to back it up. All I'm asking for is this information.

He has been asked several times to post up the results to all these 'puppies' he has on the 'lung' and results to similar engines he's 'just finished' - all to no avail. He offers advice based on what he gleans from other boards and magazines - if that is helpful, so be it, but don't for a second pass it off as an original thought, or post it as some direct knowledge from building engines that don't exist. What has he built? What are the qualifications that make him worthy of the advice he spouts? Where is the back-up to the multitude of BS claims?

And what does any of this have to do with Phil or Ai? Phil is not an engine builder nor does he have the audacity to come on here spouting to be the best cam designer/engine builder/head porter "bar none".

It's not particularly amazing who has come out in defense of BRE, yet not one of you can answer the question or post any relevant information to substantiate the self proclaimed qualifications of the e-performance guru - perhaps it's because he can't either. What is astounding is that nobody has, AFAIK, demanded to see substantiation to the claims, or even results to these claims. Where have all these engines he's built gone??

Such an easy question for someone with all this knowledge and experience.

 

Good call. Alan will gladly share his qualifications and experience with you.

 

I'm asking questions, not riding an 'ill-informed internet rumor spreading bandwagon' - I expected you to recognize the difference. Okay, well we can add Jon A to the list of performance engine clients now...where are the others? Anyone?

You're absolutely right - I did not bring up Ai as they have zero to do with this thread. This is not a brand comparison, and if 'Brand B' feels like they are being chased around, all they need to do is answer the request.

At least you'll know you'll get there.

I've simply asked a question - why is this so difficult to comprehend? All the 'leghumpers' (thanks for the term, Bert) have jumped in here speaking of customer service, willingness to answer questions, etc., but NOBODY has posted anything relevant to his qualifications or credible experience. I'm thrilled you're happy as a pig in manure with your engine - you should be...you likely paid a premium for it. Pardon us if we simply overlook your single example as conclusive evidence that BRE is the world-class engine builder they've purported to be. There are supposedly guys in Sweden that have BRE power - maybe they could post up?

Explain to us what your engine has to do with anything relevant to BRE's performance resume or qualifications? Have you won any titles in it? Can you speak to any repeatable performance? Dyno numbers? He surely put that 'puppy' on the 'lung', no? Where are the hordes of others?

Why don't you practice what you suggest and let the BRE representative speak for himself?

 

I have no personal beef with BRE. I have a problem with omniscience passed off as truthfulness, and arrogance without substantiation or credibility. There are some good knowledgable folks on this board who build engines for a living, who would not even balk at providing the substantiation requested.

This is how it was asked:

"We hear a lot about all the high HP engines, but I have yet to see one run, hear of one on this board - does anybody have any timeslips of a BRE engine (LT1 or LT4) in a street/strip car?"

Not sure how the question was asked is objectionable...replace the subject with something else, and it is still an innocent question.

 

It's called "buyer beware." Nothing in this multipage bitch fest will make a whole lot of difference on either side. We all know where you stand. We all know where Bret stands. I've read this entire thread and even though you ask a valid question it doesn't mean a hill of beans in the e-world. You knew pretty close to the start you weren't going to get your answer so why are you continuing to make this a spectacle? Do you feel you still haven't made your point? I think you have.
I've been in your position before regarding AI and I think you were the first one to attempt to argue with me and defend the honor of your shop of choice and make a whole lot of something out of nothing. Nothing life changing happened for me after I was done venting and I highly doubt anything has changed for you. Is your motive an attempt to rescue the naive? If so I'm reminded of a line from the movie Men in Black said by Tommy Lee Jones: "People don't have a clue nor do they want one."

Bret,
Replying in the ways you have will not do anything for you. It didn't do anything for Joe Overton when he was trying to defend the performance of his camshafts nor did Lou Gigliotti benefit from it when he would come in here and lamely attempted to defend the sub par performance of his LTx heads/cam packages some years ago.
As it has been said a billion times before, if your product is greatness let the track numbers (not dyno numbers) speak for themselves.

Thank you and good night.

 

Maybe because:
That's a question?
Another question?
Another question?

In the words of the great Iñigo Montoya, "I do not think that word means what you think it means."

 

Not every sentence I type can be a question, can it? You, however, should be asking for validation or refutation to the statements.

 

I have never dealt with Bret nor talked with you SS MPSTR, so I am nuetral in all of this. I have read this thread thuroughly and still don't see why Bret sits in silence. If someone asks for qualifications and gives you the stage to brag a little, why not take the opportunity?? This thread is very interesting...

 

I think he is busy...and out of town, and probly doesen't want to start anything

 

True enough, and if that question had come from a relitivly new member I probably wouldn't have thought anything of it. As it stands though you have been on this board longer then Bret has been. So I couldn't help but notice that you have known about him for a long time at this point. So I thought to myself, why would you ask that question if there wasn't some form of animosity towards him? That was just the impression I got from the question.

Dave.

 

When it comes after an insults and accusations and before more insults and accusations you might not take that "opportunity" either. Do you really think the guy asking would act in an objective manor to any answer he gets? Or will he just cut down/discount/minimize/insult whatever the answer is?

It was said my motor doesn't exist. Pictures were shown. Now it is said no matter what results I ever have with it, it doesn't matter. How convenient for him, now he can continue to call Bret a liar. See how that bar just keeps moving to wherever it's convenient? Would you subject more of your customers to that?

Before I make an accusation against somebody, I know it to be true and will be able to provide evidence or I don't make it in the first place. Silly me, I thought the burden of proof was with the accuser. If I say somebody's mom is a ***** and tell him it's up to him to prove me wrong, not much good is going to come of it. The only "answer" that should be expected is a punch in the face.

 

The only insults he gets are purely reciprocol to what he dishes out, and the only accusation has been, and will continue to be, to a percieved untruthfulness or refused candor to speak to the credibility issue. He is simply being accused of refusing to answer questions pertaining to credibility. Nothing more, nothing less. I would expect that someone who shelled out $9k for a longblock would be expecting an answer to the credibility questions of the 'builder' of said longblock.

We have acknowledged your engine, but showing a picture doesn't mean much and like I said, a single engine doesn't constitute the self-proclaimed performance prowess, omniscience or genius. Why is it you feel so damn compelled to take up the gauntlet when you cannot provide the necessary substantiation? Either provide what's been asked REPEATEDLY, or tell someone else who cares that your engine 'exists'.

We all know why there is no response - it's obvious and the point has been noted - his ego is too big to pass this by if there were real results to back it up.

BTW, your analogy has no relevance, unless your simply suggesting I should be punched in the face You should really consider letting BRE answer this, because you're certainly not doing them any favors.

 

This hasn't been locked yet? Seriously.