contacted LLoyd Elliot yesterday about some possible heads/cam work...he emailed me back about every question I asked and was very help...also very reasonable prices

 

Well hows this.....I dyno'd yesterday and made 423.8 and 375.7 and it still has problems. So, Yea I think I'm right when I say 40-45 less.

 

What about that 7-8mph more you keep talking about? I think Clint proved that one wrong, and when he gets on the dyno, I think he's going to prove that he's got more than you. Or at least flywheel he'll have more than your flyhwheel, cuz your a 6 speed vs his auto. Don't worry, you'll soon see that Lloyds heads are very close to AI's.

 

I think theres a misconception that HP is king...when in reality torque is king......though dyno's seem to be the hot selling point with heads these days and the flow bench bonanza on whos getting the best numbers..I'll throw a lil bone out for everybody to think about....

4 years ago I ran 10.95@124 mph n/a in a 3574lb car with a head that only flowed 255 on the intake 198 on the ex. and they quit at .550 ...... so the number games is cool but it comes down to combination....Its not just the heads..its not just the cam..its not the boltons ..Its all the above.. Its a combination..As I said before all things being the same and nothing more than swapping heads around from different head porters.Either one makes more torque or two it makes more hp ..depending on the porting style...but on the track I doubt it would be much difference if any at all.. I think both mentioned here port heads well...And theres no need to put one above the other...since thats what seems to be happening here... Neither one ported my personal heads so basically I'm just posting from the outside looking in as it were..

 

How come your 6 speed is only trapping 2 more mph than the auto guy with the 40-45 more hp you claim to have? Hmmmm smell that?

 

Well, whenever I get my dyno sheet up, you'll see that between the area's of 6300-6800, the car isnt making power. I've got a problem there that is being a biatch to fix. That is the same RPM I was trappin in the 1/4 (6400 in 4th). That is a major reason of why its "only" 119. Not to mention, that was the first time the car had EVER been down the track with the new motor. Its very easy to understand that it will trap higher than that now.

By the way, whats your car trapping? Hmmm?

 

Hey dumbass, can you not read? my sig ****ing says "383 being built" so when you ask what my car "runs" i'd say it runs about as fast as i can push it down the strip without the engine in it. If your car is running an 11.XX I'd like to see your complete list of mods.
-Ryan

 

ran my car sat afternoon in the 1/8th mile.

and i got Advanced Induction heads. I was very pleased with almost 145k miles on stock bottom end it was running damn good. gotta love what it was trapping. thread here

 

Got the 30# injectors installed, hopefully tomorrow I can get a good datamaster run, see if its pullin anymore air in.

 

Alright dumbass, heres my complete list of mods that I dont feel like cluddering up my ****ing sig with:

K&N, ported MAF, trick flow elbow, MSD digital 6, stock intake-gasket matched and knocked out for 58 MM Holley TB, AI heads, Comp Pro Mag 1.6 RR's, Comp R lifters, AI cam, SRP pistons, Eagle 6 inch rods, El cheapo Scat 9000 stock stroke crank, Jet Hot longtubes, dual 3 inch exhaust with Flowmaster One Chambers and flowtech X pipe, CAM dyno tune, Racetronix 255 intank pump, VFN fiberglass hood, BMR K-member, QA1's on the front, Moser 12 bolt, Mac torque arm, BMR extreme duty rear swaybar, Metco LCA's, Lakewood Panhard rod, Centerline Telstars, 26 x 10.0 ET Drags, Driver mod............I think thats most of it.

By the way, why the 383? Not think you can get it done with a stock stroke?

 

I e-mailed Lloyd a bunch of times before I started my homeporting project, I was mainly trying to get advice from someone who knew what they were doing! He was always more than helpful and helped me out a whole lot. I've heard great stuff about both of them, I'd say you can't go wrong.

Also Greenbean, why are you dynoing when your car has obvious problems?

 

Look there is no way that anybody is going to get 45hp over another headporter with the same LT1 castings. Now there are way too many variables like cams, exhaust setups, transmissions and tuning that make differences on the dyno. Now take both engines and put them on an engine dyno and you will see which engines making the power. Sar2k made 452rwhp with his own ported heads, auto trans., stock bottomend, stock valves, 11.26@118.9mph and he isn't a head porter so we should all send our heads to him right? So you don't have an argument Greenbean. My car is making as much power as yours w/o dynotuning, auto trans, and a 52mm throttle body. so there is no 45hp difference anywhere. Now compare apples to apples. Later Clint

 

Green was re-dynoing to see if another (better) tuner could see something that the other shop did not catch. The first shop IMO, did a ****ty tune considering certain things. The shop that did it this weekend is a way better shop IMO. Plus he picked up 10+ from that tuner....

 

I have neither heads, but I can honestly say that I've seen some people on the board with LE heads that trap 112-113 mph and 360-370ish rwhp.

I've never seen anyone with under 390 rwhp, nor under 116ish mph with AI heads.

Take it for what it's worth.

Mike

 

Here is the problem with your statement and with everyone elses that says Phil's heads make more power. The problem is:

Nobody has posted numbers from Phil with an off the shelf cam smaller than or equal to the cc306. The one that I saw (XE230/236 112LSA) was about 25rwhp more than me and he was running a stroker and a dyno tune.

Most people with Lloyd's heads have cams like mine, or CC305, or hotcam, or XE224/230. Phil has guys running his custom cams. Of course we havent seen low numbers from him, most of his guys run the custom cams. Why is this hard for some people to understand? I pulled 383rwhp without a reprogram on the dyno. I could have squeezed out more with a dyno tune, but I am now installing a vortech S trim.

People who run small off the shelf cams are Lloyd's typical customers. He has had customers do 400rwhp+ with cc306 and bigger, but most of his customers dont run aggressive cams.