I agree with zhevy-1, Thunder Racing is a great shop to do business with.

I just want to know about this mystery cam.

 

The fact that this cam information is not being given out in my eyes means that there is more to it than a cam.

I don't give a **** how good of a shop they are supposed to be and blah blah. There are people with heads that flow more, more cubes and I bet even better cams that are not pulling those numbers and tuned to boot.

If I had a shop that was able to pull magic #'s out of my ***, I sure as hell would be trying to sell and make some money. Yet...this shop does not do so...come on.

You come here with dyno #'s and 1/4 #'s but no proof on how you did it.

And why again is 440rwhp only netting 118 MPH?

 

I also agree with everything that CANTONRACER has said. There is something else to this setup that we are not being told about. I thought with 440 rwhp, the car should run in the lower 120's in the 1/4, but I may be wrong. Anyway, it would be nice to get some more info on the heads and the cam.

Brian

 

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I'm not sure we really need to start dragging a shops name through the mud just yet, none the less a supporting advertiser, without hearing the whole story.
I mean they help to make this site possible so I'll give them a fair shake.
I agree that this whole secrecy issue is getting on my nerves but I don't see it as any big deal.
I know it the internet and we have a ton of bench racers on here but time will show if this is BS or if its the real deal.

 

I am not dragging the shops name through the mud. I am a proud supporter of Thunder Racing and have order thousands and I mean thousands of dollars worth of parts from them. I am just interested to see what this combo is. When I talked to them last year about different cams and heads, they didnt really give me much to go by. So I pretty much went by some other friends advice and then went back to them and ordered my own cam and parts. Maybe I just talked to the wrong person, I dont know. The person I talked to just made it seem that they werent really interested in LT1's anymore, and the LS1's were the new thing down there.(which they are) So if SAR2K could give out some specs and details on the setup, Im sure he would make alot of other people happy.

Brian

 

Steve's Combo hasn't reached near it's potential. We have the dyno numbers and once we have the track numbers where they should be then we will release more info about the package. But the key word here is package. This isn't a magic new cam or something. Instead it's well put together parts that compliment each other. There is a whole lot more to it then just a set of heads and a custom cam.

The ETs and mph are still not what they should be, most related to tranny issues. Another converter swap is in the works. More results soon to come.

 

What is the total list of mods, and where are you racing getting those times?? I'm shocked.

 

I'm in shock at the people who think thunder or anyone is obligated to relenquish cam specs... and as far as mph not adding up ..think of all the factors involved weight ,suspension,driver etc.. mph is not the tell-all of hp unless your factoring in weight ..I think if you do some math it does add up if your not good at math moroso makes a nice lil calc that figures it for you....I got the same thing a while back on a car i done which was a convertible i had guys telling me that car should run 120 mph ..they seem to forget it weighs over 3700lbs and on a factory radial and still knocked down 12.11 @116 w/ a 1.89 60 ft poor guy only ran at the track a handful of times and was getting rung up pretty bad about his mph.. way i see it thunder racing or any shop shouldnt be shunned for not releasing info on something they did r&d on and found a nitch...If you want to find out what the cam is buy it....If you dont want to buy it then dont look for free handouts.. I will say it isnt the cam alone doing whats laid on the table here..as already mentioned its a combination or package if you will that arrived at that number....call up Al Corda see if he gives you his specs

 

man...you guys crack me up. This was the second outing of this car with the new motor..two outings..two different converters. These combos aren't just a throw together and your going to go set the world on fire the first time out. We know the hp is there...we just have to get the rest of the combo right to work with the power. This is still a work in progress. I agree with joe and thunder. Why release the combo when some numbnut(my words..not theirs) will just get the cam..throw it in a car with stock heads..or crappy ported heads..go lay down some crappy numbers and then come talk on here like they lied to the world. Instead..they are doing extensive testing with different setups so they can tell the customer..this is what you need to get the results. The setup will be released when they feel that it is ready to be released...not sooner. If I was out there...saving my money to do it one time. I woud rather the shop do the testing and tell me this is what we found will produce simular results than me just say.."Hey, that new cam you guys got..send it to me. I have a stock motor with stock manafolds that I'm gonna throw it in with stock tuning. " and they send it your way. Then everyones time and money has been wasted.

Steves car has a good bit of et left in it I believe. Its just gonna take time to get it there. I know they are getting closser to a "release" but just hold up guys. What they are gonna offer in the release I have no clue. Just hold up..thunder is a great shop and doesn't want to let something get out too soon that isnt fully tested.

Oh..for compairison. I was running at the same track..same day with steve. I went a best of 11.12 at 124.88. But I have been working on my setup for a while(well over a year). My first time at the track on a full pass was a 11.8x at 118. From there I have tuned my combo..changed gears..suspension, tire, ...etc. etc. etc. With never touching the motor I've picked up .8 and 7 mph. The car is gonna really move..just with this type of setup its gonna take alittle trial and error to find the right setup. Steves car makes more peak hp than mine on the dyno..it just the total package and the time I have put into my car that is keeping me ahead of him right now.


Joe..congrats on the new best last weekend.

Tim

 

Thanks Joe, Tim, Neil, & Paul!
Damn man no wonder many folks don't post what they've learned, LOL. For a few of you crying for specs (not everyone) or thinking "there's more to the story", you're the reason many good people keep their info to themselves. I caught the same type of flack earlier this year when I hit 11's with just bolt-ons... oh well that's life.
First off the only reason I even did this whole set up was curiosity. Two years ago I wondered what it would take to get a stock cam N/A LT1 to run 11's. I figured head work & massive weight loss would be a must. Well lucky for us I was wrong. Once I hit the 11's I decide to port the heads to see how far into the 11's a stock cam would go... That never got off the ground since once I had the car down I fugured that it's time to start going fast and see just how far a stock bottomend can go. So I decided to do a cam swap. Geoff asked me if I wanted to test out a cam idea he had been toying around with. I NEVER turn down a chance to try something new on an LT1! Damn I'm glad I decide to try it! IMO Geoff has been doing his homework a little better than he bargined for. Both of us figured we'd get some good horsepower out of this setup, BUT anticipated the power falling off around 6400-6500 as similar cams tend to (uh oh... you mean there have been cams similar to this one already run? yep and quite a few are on this board, LOL). I've spun this thing up as high as 6900 so far and it just keeps going, the only reason it falls off is the rev limiter kicking in.
I never though we'd get a powerband like this out of a small valve head & hydraulic grind... learn something new everyday and that's the point of all this! Today I'll be swapping converters AGAIN and hope to get to the track next week to see the change. Will that be enough to drop the ET drasticly... no way, I still need more gear, but at this point I'm only changing one thing at a time. After the converter we'll look at the results and make a decision on gear & tire choice.
I can already see a potential road block coming... the Opti!!! How many times will the Opti spin 6800 before I have to freshen it up??? We'll see, it's all part of the game and well get past it.
Will Thunder offer this cam as part of a package next year??? I think you'll see a variant of it for sure. Most folks will not want to spin their motors up this high and that's good. I'm sure one of the local cars will be testing a lower rpm version of my cam here soon. I'm pretty sure the power can be shifted down a few hundred rpm yet still make serious power. Also I have a feeling an all out version will be poping up as well *cough* Tim H *cough*
I hope to see some of you all at some of the events next year like the Sprinbreak & North/South Shootouts. I'll be there then you can judge for youself the streetabliity of this setup.
Sorry for the long post...
Steve... <--- all about the LT1!

 

Steve-O, tellin like it is.

 

We appreciate the info, and I can understand keeping everything on the down low for right now. Great work with the car, keep it up!!!!

 

That's what i'm sayin!

 

I'll attempt to educate you two...
When dyno tuning a auto car if you have the ability to lock the converter you do so to get a more consistent reading with a big converter to see if changes have an effect.
Now at the strip the converter is not locked, thus reducing rwhp. In my case unloced the TQ shoots way up and the hp is in the 420 range.
Now as stated earlier this is a work in progress. I'm not going to make two runs at the strip on a new combo and nail everything down perfect out the box. If you think that's how it goes... you have a lot to learn.
New converter is in... feels good and loose... back to the track next week.
Steve...

 

Some good points on everything so far. Its a newer combo from what i read, first time out with my combo it only went 13.9, lol. Give it some time, thunder has always done anything they could for me. Good luck bud