Thanks 97bowtie!

Well said.

This is why I sold my '87 Mustang for the SS. I wanted a
different, upgraded Camaro. I too spent much less for my 2002 SS.
As a GM/Hughes employee I got the whole thing with Blackwing Lid and
dual dual exhaust for a little over $28K.

And yes, I too run consistent 2.0 0-60 times. And 109.1, 109.2, and 109.4 trap speeds at 12.90, 12.89... and 12.88 is my best at Capital in Crofton. I will post the
time slip when I figure out how to import the image.

Jim

 

Since were talking about personal choice I Like ther way the Lt1 camaro z28 looks over the LS1 body style it looks alot more agressive. IN MY OPINNION the LS1s look like chrysler sebrings and thats why they cancled the camaros in 2002, they jacked up the design and made them look like any other car on the road and nobody bought them But I love the LS1 engine and will take that any day over an LT1..... I wonder how many people will complain about this comment?

 

Your opinion is wrong!!!!

Disclaimer: For those that are humorously challenged, this was a totally sarcastic statement.

 

Ahh, the good old SS vs. Z/28 debates. This really brings back the memories of when I first joined...



-Mike

 

I joined recently, and frankly this pi$$ing contest has lost its charm. Maybe the moderator WILL LOCK OUT THIS THREAD!

 

blah blah blah, there's nothing you've said about me that I can't also throw right back at you, and to be honest, you started this whole bash fest, so before you start throwing out insults like I'm generalizing, stereotyping, and classifying people as a certain "type" take a look at your posts first.

400 passes at the track? LOL Could be done over the course of a season. Not impressed. I hang with people who've made over 10,000 in various cars.

Proof cannot be documented, unless you have 10 of each model of each year. That's why I said magazine articles because they DO test every car multiple times. Far more accurate than "I have made xxx passes at the track." Congrats, but you're totally missing the point.

Good argument there about taking a z06 and putting an LS1 in it. Not like it's two COMPLETELY DIFFERENT CARS or anythig. are YOU as dumb as I think you are? this comment basically cements it. c5 vs z06. Yeah, I can really see that comparo, different engine, different body, titanium components vs. a stock c5. LOL Completely different than an SS which is a z28 with some fancy fiberglass.

you ARE one of the SS guys who has the "holier than thou" attitude. It's all here in your writing. Your attitude even comes across in text. LOL You're also talking about two different types of "tracks." You refer to drag racing as a track, but then talk about the ss's handling on the "track." Make up your mind which "track" you want to argue about. Seriously. how many of us AUTOCROSS regularly? with stock suspensions? 'Nuff said.

Here's how you're blowing my comments out of proportion, and cropping them to your advantage:

See how much difference that makes taken out of context? LOL You're doing the same thing by ignoring my other arguments. I clearly stated the suspension/wheels are good for minus a few 10ths in the 1/4, but the lid would make back 1 or 2-- But you conveniently ignored the first part of that whole thing. This is the attitude that makes the stereotypical "SS guys" and "supra guys" hated. See enough of it and you expect the worst from everyone. But, I see that you're infallible, with your 400 passes at the track and your camaro SS. You've never categorized or stereotyped anyone. Nor have you made assumptions about people on the internet... right? Oh wait a sec. Refer to above quotes. the "handling" performance of the SS isn't some technological breakthrough either. .04g on the skidpad MIGHT equate to a tenth or two seconds margin on a road course--- if you're Michael Schumacher. But since none of us is a professional driver, the handling difference is negligible.

I was almost lured into the SS when I was buying my car. I bought my fully-loaded z28 with 900 miles at a steal. 19,500 sticker, talked the place down to 18,500. They only made $300 off the sale. on the lot that day was also an SS going for $27,500, WITH MORE MILES and less options. Still I wanted to have that "SS." I told them to hang on to both cars for a few days. Since they know me well they trusted I would be buying one of the two. I came back many times to test drive and re-test drive both cars. The SS was actually less refined on the road. The z28 took corners just as well, was a more "comfortable" ride (due to its more GTish suspension), felt more responsive and a tad quicker, had more options and had barely been driven. Both were just what I was looking for: Black, t-tops, 6-speed. Options weren't really a consideration, nor was price. When I'm shopping for toys, I don't care about price. If it makes me smile, it's worth it. The "Fun-factor" of the z28 was what swayed me. Sure, the idea that the SS was more limited was appealing, but I really couldn't justify the extra $8000 for a 'performance package' that didn't perform--this is when I decided that the "performance" part of the appearance package was non-existant. It truly is an appearance package. Having driven many SS's and z28's in the past(Both LT1 and LS1--people trust me to make their track runs and test drive cars for them due to my knack for making them go fast) I can honestly say I don't feel a positive difference between the two LS1 cars. The only true difference I can tell between the two is the SS is a lot more jittery over rough stuff because of the stiffer springs. I wouldn't give up the driveability of my z28 for an SS any day. Plus I prefer the style of the z28 better. It's smoother and more elegant looking in my opinion. perhaps if SS cars didn't have the obnoxious and pointless spoiler out back I might seriously consider one again in the future.

 

Man, you guys are still goin' at it?!?!? I bet all those ricers are laughin' at us

 

SS's have a nice hot-air-intake system.

 

ahem ... MY WEENER IS BIGGER THAN YOUR WEENER!

 

Z28s have nice cheap wheels, with nice cheaper suspension, followed by cheaper exhaust, cheaper hood and spoiler... therefore a cheaper price.

Length maybe, overall girth I doubt.

I don't mind when people say they run even times, because they do, but when people talk down about the SS then it's gone a little too far. There's more to performance then speed.

 

Yup, reviewed my posts and I was merely posting FACTS which triggered the 'Z28 guys' to get defensive. Read the thread again farmboy.

Your inattention to detail continues.

The 'ol my friend post eh. I would play that card too seeing as how you can't hold a candle to my experience racing these cars. Keep talking chump. That's all you are.

I'm not missing the point. You've already admitted they handle better...what left is there to prove?

Of course they are two different cars, however, put an LS1 in the car (and a base Vette T-56) and add ~ 100 lbs. of weight to the car and all you have left is the fact that the ZO6 handles better. You have the same power/weight ratio and the same gearing. The ZO6 in this case STILL PERFORMS BETTER. It's not really this complicated.

OMFG you're an idiot. I made a distinction between track and roadcourse/autocross in EVERY POST I MADE. Show me where I failed to make this distinction. Please, show me. I'll be waiting for your response. Again, you're spewing BS. You have zero credibility and I'm sure everyone can see this. I'm waiting for you to show me where I failed to make the distinction between 'track' and roadcourse/autocross...

Holy ****, you're beyond retarded. You seriously need to go get an education. I didn't take any of your posts out of context. I didn't ask for an example of how I could have taken your posts out of context, I want to see a specific example where I DID take a post of yours out of context. Quote what you said, then quote what I said. C'mon you uneducated hill billy. Keep back pedaling.

Taking arguments out of context and ignoring your statements are TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. You're a piece of work.

I only ignored it because I didn't totally agree with it. Good drivers can still launch SS/WS6 cars just as well. I cut 2.0x 60's in my car bone stock at our ****ty tracks. I wouldn't do, and infact didn't do, any better in a stock Z28.

I try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt, but someone like you doesn't deserve it. You are so damn defensive it's ridiculous. I can agree to disagree, but it's obvious you can't. Your opinion means nothing

Or if you're the same driver on the same course... (read, not necessarily Michael Shumacher)

Do you know the scientific term control means?

Translation = "I couldn't afford the SS".

That is all.

 

I knew someone would get all pissy when i said that...

I wonder if WRX/ WRX STI guys have the same arguments? probably not, because they are different cars.

Or RSX/RSX Type R
Or Beetle/Beetle turbo


The only thing different are some extremely overpriced and overrated options that get publicized a LOT. No different than most cars out there.

Case in point, i was looking at Camrys recently, one camry had a base price of 17k, but had 4 options that added almost 4k to the car.

They were
1. Window tint $1,440 (no joke)
2. Alloy wheels $1,440 (wtf?)
3. electric mirror $600
4. Spoiler $300-$700 (not sure exactly, but it was between those)

that's a $3780 difference for things that could easily be purchased at half or even a fourth of those prices.

 

Sorry you don't like facts.

 

A little off topic but I was looking at autotrader and local dealerships this past week as I am car shopping for my wife. I noticed that Trans Ams are more expensive then SS's. And WS6's are the worst of them all. I saw a few adds for 2002 WS6's with 5-10K miles and they wanted 30K! WTF are they thinking. I know the miles were way low but still.

So can I say that anyone who bought a SS = "I couldn't afford a WS6"?

Or

Anyone who bought a LS1 F-body = "I couldn't afford a C5"

Or

Anyone who bought a C5 = "I couldn't afford a Z06"

ect, ect, ect.


Yes I know how stupid that sounds but not quite as stupid as this entire thread sounds after page 1. We need a moderator to lock this one I think or we may get several more pages of whose D**k is bigger.

 

-Mike