My Iroc Z28

well thats what i said and 60' time i had him no questions asked i was winning i have it on tape and watched it over over again... and seeing that he had stock 17'' f1's (new car 1 week old from the dealer) to my 17'' sumotoimo's i would say that would be pretty equal and if not he had the advantage...

LSUxBlake

Exactly, 60 foot is the only time an LT1 would hang close, and it has no advantages that would put it ahead of the LS1 there. You must remember that the only time you'd possibly be below 3000 RPM is at the start of a race for a SPLIT SECOND. If you are stalling with an auto, you ARENT below 3000 rpm and you are already in the LS1's powerband. I know when I shift my car, it never drops below 3000 when I'm racing. I don't see how you could even compare the 2 cars in a race, they run almost a full second difference from each other.

My Iroc Z28

almost a full second?? are we talking about a LS1 ss compared to a Lt1 z28.. i sure hope so because my bone stock LT1 z28 lost to a bone stock Ls1 z28 in a braket race 13.86 to a 14.00 thats no were near a second...

S8ER95Z

The SS and Z28 are equal performers..as usual these threads are completely worthless. *sigh*

My Iroc Z28

well im not sure about that one either but 2 cars with different hp ratings can't be equal performers....

LSUxBlake

If you don't even know that those cars are identical in power, then I won't bother arguing with you. Keep in mind I am talking about the SS without the optional performance package such as exhaust....... The "Ram Air" system on the SS is almost laughable, if you've ever looked under the hood you can see why. Oh yeah, and as said, bad drivers run bad times. LS1's dont run 13.8's, my friend.

My Iroc Z28

look im not trying to argue, im saying that it makes me sick when people think there car should out run others just because whats under the hood and don't consider other things that play factor in times... and who named you a expert on what a car should run stock?? and really what makes a bad driver?? does track conditions?? does outside temp?? does engine temp?? how about rear end gears 2.73's???nope didn't consider what those conditions were before you told me that LS1's don't run 13.8's well buddy in this world everything can't be perfect and it isnt what you think my friend....

LSUxBlake

Do you have any idea what you are saying? This had nothing to do with track temps, conditions.......etc. You said that if an LT1 raced an LS1 with similar mods, "the LT1 would jump it out the hole and the LS1 would have a hard time catching up because a 1/4 mile comes fast". That is a completely innacurate statement that had nothing to do with track conditions, it has everything to do with what's under the hood.

Capn Pete

Unfortunately, LS1's DO run slow occasionally, and it's nothing to do with the driver. I've driven my car to a best of 13.02 @ 107, but when it was brand new, bone stock, barely ~2000 miles on the clock, it only ran 14.1 @ 101!! My driving hasn't changed at all, just the tires, track/weather conditions, and the motor has broken in more now.

Comparing the Z28 and SS? Yeah, let's start comparing to the 'Vette and the GTO while we're at it!

My Iroc Z28

Look like i said im not trying to argue but i will correct you... you said and i quote "Oh yeah, and as said, bad drivers run bad times. LS1's dont run 13.8's, my friend". and im telling you that your wrong with this statement... i know what the point of this thread was but if your going to state something make sure you can back it up please....

unvc92camarors

didn't we all see this coming...

LetMeBurnU

"Is the LS1 that much more powerful than LT1 SS?"

Yes....

darrens99formul

Forget about weather conditions and track conditions because what is hurting the LS1 is equally hurting the LT1. So if you want to say a LS1 is running 13.8's on average during an 85 degree day at 1500 feet above sea level then that's fine. But the stock LT1's are running mid to high 14's that day under the same conditions. But take a 70 degree day and 500 feet above sea level and your gonna see the LS1's running anywhere from 13.2 - 13.6 and LT1's should be running 13.8 - 14.2 (give or take). And then there is the most ideal of conditions such as sea level track and 50 drgrees outside with the wind to your back. Then LS1's are running 12.8 - 13.4 and LT1's are hitting 13.6 - 14.0 all day long.

As for the debate on LS1 being "almost" a full second faster then a LT1 I have to say I disagree. It's closer to half a second but that is still a considerable amount. Both LT1 and LS1 came with A4 or M6. Both also came with 2.73, 3.23 or 3.42 gears. To be 100% fair you have to compare the same setups. Auto vs auto I'm thinking 13.5 vs 14.1 and M6 vs M6 (well driven) I'm thinking 13.2 vs 13.8 (again give or take). But if you want to compare a 98-00 2.73 geared auto LS1 to a very well driven M6 LT1 then you could see the difference be as small as .2 (with the auto LS1 winning) but again that would not be a completely fair comparison.

This is of course not considering driver error. A bad driver can have a 17 second pass in a 13 second car. So anyone can win any race on any given day if someone screws up bad enough. But why are we always arguing with each other? It's common friggin knowledge that LS6 or LS2>LS1>LT1>L98 and so on. But the thing we should be concentrating on is F-body > Mustang > srt-4 > Imports > RICE. And I mean that in the most brand loyal and biased way possible

falchulk

It cracks me up that in these discussions its always the LS1's that are driven badly to get 14.0's But the lt1's are always driven perfectly. Thats is just strange.

My Iroc Z28

I Agree with you 100%