Factory Freak?
12-28-2004, 07:32 PM
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Factory Freak?
What exactly is the difference between a normal camaro and a factory freak? I have a 2002 A4 and i am outrunning cars that have ran 13.3 to 13.5's Is there any block codes or anything i can look at to see what the difference is? or is it really just a freak of nature? was the A4 offered with 3.42 gears on the Z28 model? I just want to know for general knowledge and to determine if i have a factory freak?
12-28-2004, 07:46 PM
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Re: Factory Freak?
As a rule, I'd consider the real "factory freaks" to be the 100% bone stock cars, running street tires, nothing, I mean NOTHING done to them, that run into the 12's
.....pretty much 12.anything!
Low 13's are pretty common, mid-high 13's are "average", and 14's are in the "below average" category. Also, in terms of dyno #'s, ~300 RWHP (~295 - 305) is about "average", while cars that put in the range of ~315 RWHP or better are probably among the "freaks"
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.....pretty much 12.anything! Low 13's are pretty common, mid-high 13's are "average", and 14's are in the "below average" category. Also, in terms of dyno #'s, ~300 RWHP (~295 - 305) is about "average", while cars that put in the range of ~315 RWHP or better are probably among the "freaks".
12-28-2004, 07:54 PM
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Re: Factory Freak?
also those i cars i beat were beatin by well over several car lengths, i dont know if it is or not but i would like to know if there is any way of telling through option codes or something
12-28-2004, 08:11 PM
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Re: Factory Freak?
Sorry, forgot to mention the gears.....autos had the option of either 2.73's or 3.23's. 6-speeds came with 3.42's (no option). Check your driver's door for the RPO code:
GU2 = 2.73's
GU5 = 3.23's
GU6 = 3.42's
GU2 = 2.73's
GU5 = 3.23's
GU6 = 3.42's
12-28-2004, 08:36 PM
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Re: Factory Freak?
Some '01-'02 LS1 F-bodies came with an LS6 block but I highly doubt that it makes much of a difference (I've seen no evidence that it does). Search the forum if you want to find out more info.
And beating a car that ran whatever time is not an accurate way to determine what your car runs...neither is making some pulls on a dyno. If you want to know exactly what your car runs, go to a track and make a few passes.
While I do believe that some F-bodies are just plain faster than others...most of it has to do with good driving, good weather and a good track...not that your LS1 is making 10-15 more HP than the average LS1.
And beating a car that ran whatever time is not an accurate way to determine what your car runs...neither is making some pulls on a dyno. If you want to know exactly what your car runs, go to a track and make a few passes.
While I do believe that some F-bodies are just plain faster than others...most of it has to do with good driving, good weather and a good track...not that your LS1 is making 10-15 more HP than the average LS1.
12-29-2004, 04:23 PM
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Re: Factory Freak?
Originally Posted by RocketCutlass
I have a 2002 A4 and i am outrunning cars that have ran 13.3 to 13.5's Is there any block codes or anything i can look at to see what the difference is?
Go to the track and try real hard to get a good time and let us know how you did.
Do you guys know if any A4s have brokens into the 12s bone stock?
12-29-2004, 05:05 PM
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Re: Factory Freak?
I think a factory freaks is an LS1 that can run a 12 second 1/4 mile time bone stock or with common every day mininum modifications like lid and exhaust but nothing else. In a sense every car is different, if you put the same catback on two LS1s they wotn sound the same and if you out a cam and head combo on two different cars, one may gain a second and one may gain 3 tenths until they are tuneing. Which i think is the secret to a factory freak. SOme LS1s dont like stock tuneing as much as others. Thats my guess on why you see a few in 12s, 13s and high 13s and even low 14s.
12-29-2004, 05:18 PM
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Re: Factory Freak?
Originally Posted by 97bowtie
Factory freaks don't exist. Negative DAs, well prepped tracks and good drivers do exist, however. 
12-29-2004, 06:44 PM
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Re: Factory Freak?
Originally Posted by Pasky
Yup, they don't exist, its just all dyno's are not created equal.
I guarantee you if you lined up a bunch of bone stock LS1's with equal mileage on them, on the SAME dyno, SAME day, there would be differences of HP in the range of ~20 rwhp, no problem. Whether it's 'cause one car was built on a Tuesday, and another on a Friday, there ARE differences between 2 "equal" cars, and sometimes there are those few that just out-perform all the rest...it's a proven fact (my Dad is a mechanic, and worked in a truck shop with a dyno.....he said they would put trucks on the dyno and have #'s as far apart as ~40 rwhp on brand new 400 HP trucks --- I'm talking about freight trucks with big Cummins diesels in them
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12-29-2004, 06:50 PM
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Re: Factory Freak?
Maybe they've already been broken in? I know for a fact a 600 mile LS1 will dyno lower than one with 7000 miles. Their all the same engine and yes their will be some variances between them, but come on, a freak? Its all driver skill at the track. Take my cousin, he can't take his 00 trans am past 14.2 because he is a moron.