Factory Freak?
12-30-2004, 05:09 PM
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Re: Factory Freak?
Originally Posted by 97bowtie
I'm glad you agree. 
What do you consider a freak bone stock LS1 on the dyno? Where do you draw the line? 315 rwhp, 320 rwhp? There have been a number of LS1s dyno in this range, so are they all freaks? Does a 10-15rwhp variance make one car a freak? I agree there is going to be some variance, obviously. But to run around calling cars that trap 110-111 with lid/exhaust in -DA conditions freaks is a little far fetched.
What do you consider a freak bone stock LS1 on the dyno? Where do you draw the line? 315 rwhp, 320 rwhp? There have been a number of LS1s dyno in this range, so are they all freaks? Does a 10-15rwhp variance make one car a freak? I agree there is going to be some variance, obviously. But to run around calling cars that trap 110-111 with lid/exhaust in -DA conditions freaks is a little far fetched.
Id say 325-330rwhp...
12-30-2004, 06:06 PM
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Re: Factory Freak?
Dyno numbers are even less reliable than track numbers ... I know of at least 2 dyno operators in my area that have "calibrated" thier dynos to pump up the numbers.
That and there are tricks you can do to pump up dyno numbers.
I've seen a number of dyno "freaks" that couldn't back it up at the track.
Every track freak I've seen was because of driver ... Even on an A4 I've seen as much a half second difference between drivers on the same track, same DA.
That and there are tricks you can do to pump up dyno numbers.
I've seen a number of dyno "freaks" that couldn't back it up at the track.
Every track freak I've seen was because of driver ... Even on an A4 I've seen as much a half second difference between drivers on the same track, same DA.
12-30-2004, 07:21 PM
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Re: Factory Freak?
Well , I know of a guy with a 200 Formula..auto , stock , ran a 13.3-13.4 on average and managed to pull a 13.2 Bone stock .
What where your traps ?
My 99 TA ran a 13.2@108 Bone stock nursing it majorly off the line " 2.2 sixties" do avoid wheel spin . I coulda ran 12's bone stock .
Its more common then you think but its still a pretty damn fast car . Congrats!
Your trap times tell alot about your HP though...so what was your trap ?
I trapped a consitant 109 on street tires and ran a best of a 13.06@109 with a 2.2 sixties on street tires " Nursing once again"
Nice times . But factory freaks do exist .
What where your traps ?
My 99 TA ran a 13.2@108 Bone stock nursing it majorly off the line " 2.2 sixties" do avoid wheel spin . I coulda ran 12's bone stock .
Its more common then you think but its still a pretty damn fast car . Congrats!
Your trap times tell alot about your HP though...so what was your trap ?
I trapped a consitant 109 on street tires and ran a best of a 13.06@109 with a 2.2 sixties on street tires " Nursing once again"
Nice times . But factory freaks do exist .
12-30-2004, 07:29 PM
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Re: Factory Freak?
Originally Posted by Capn Pete
Oh, but all LS1's ARE created "equal"?! 
I guarantee you if you lined up a bunch of bone stock LS1's with equal mileage on them, on the SAME dyno, SAME day, there would be differences of HP in the range of ~20 rwhp, no problem. ).
I guarantee you if you lined up a bunch of bone stock LS1's with equal mileage on them, on the SAME dyno, SAME day, there would be differences of HP in the range of ~20 rwhp, no problem. ).
Agreed . My LT1 was kind of a freak self .
My first LT1 was as average as they came .My best friend had an LT1 that was Bone stock and My formula had less miles and a CAI ...Guess what ? He waxed me . Both where auto's . He'd walk me off the line and gain distance with every gear change .
All cars for some reason are not created equal .
Another example , my LT1 camaro had 3:23 gears in it ..it was a six speed . the previous owner put them in becasue he drove back and forth from mighigan for his Job .
I detroyed every other LT1 I raced mod for mod..It was a freak . And would easily run 13's stock .
12-30-2004, 08:08 PM
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Re: Factory Freak?
Originally Posted by V6toZ28
Dyno numbers are even less reliable than track numbers ... I know of at least 2 dyno operators in my area that have "calibrated" thier dynos to pump up the numbers.
That and there are tricks you can do to pump up dyno numbers.
I've seen a number of dyno "freaks" that couldn't back it up at the track.
Every track freak I've seen was because of driver ... Even on an A4 I've seen as much a half second difference between drivers on the same track, same DA.
That and there are tricks you can do to pump up dyno numbers.
I've seen a number of dyno "freaks" that couldn't back it up at the track.
Every track freak I've seen was because of driver ... Even on an A4 I've seen as much a half second difference between drivers on the same track, same DA.
In my case I trust my dyno operator, my rwhp matches my mph, and my car is by no means light. Fully optioned with leather and T-tops.
A shady dyno operator can be your worst nightmare... Im glad I have a good one.
12-30-2004, 08:43 PM
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Re: Factory Freak?
Originally Posted by AlmostfastLT1
I know of a guy that had a competely stock 98 Ls1 auto that ran 12.88. NO LIE!
12-30-2004, 08:54 PM
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Re: Factory Freak?
Originally Posted by Avengeance
That depends on how "reliable" or should I say honest your dyno operator is... I trust mine. I dynoed 326rwhp... then my car was tuned with nothing else done to it and we ended up 344rwhp. Everyone raised the BS flag on me, even my best friend, so I went to the track and did 110mph traps at 13.1 on stock tires... with only a 2.1 60'. I then proceeded to tell them to shove it right up their asses.
In my case I trust my dyno operator, my rwhp matches my mph, and my car is by no means light. Fully optioned with leather and T-tops.
A shady dyno operator can be your worst nightmare... Im glad I have a good one.
In my case I trust my dyno operator, my rwhp matches my mph, and my car is by no means light. Fully optioned with leather and T-tops.
A shady dyno operator can be your worst nightmare... Im glad I have a good one.
12-30-2004, 11:50 PM
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Re: Factory Freak?
Originally Posted by SFB767
Is it possible that your car is a B4C? Didn't they come with 3.42s regardless of the transmission?
I think the NBM cars are a little faster than the cars of other color...
I think the NBM cars are a little faster than the cars of other color...
I would have to agree
Plus, who would leave they're car stock
12-30-2004, 11:52 PM
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Re: Factory Freak?
i have another question can you tell anything about a engine by that sticker on the back of the cylinder head? Mine has the letters CHA on it if anyone knows what that means. also where are the gm part numbers located for the engine block and cylinder heads?
12-31-2004, 03:23 PM
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Re: Factory Freak?
Originally Posted by Avengeance
Mustve been one HELLUVA good DA that night and good track prep.... that would be the ONLY way it could be possible. Even then its arguable.
