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Old Oct 24, 2005 | 12:00 AM
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Re: motor for boost and N2o

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1. Cog drive = bad idea unless it's a race car only.
2. The injectors may not be big enough.
3. You will need one hell of an exhaust system to avoid choking it off at that end.
4. The CR may be too high to run on pump fuel with that much boost, you should consider water/alcohol injection as an anti-detonation strategy if you are planning on running pump gas.
5. You will need a custom air intake for the SC to see 17-19psi. Even with one, the D1 may not flow enough air to see that kind of boost depending on the rev range you plan to operate in. One of the other problems with a cog is the limited number of belt lengths available will in turn limit the pulley combinations you can use.
6. What are the specs on the "Eliminator" pump? You will need a hell of a lot fuel for this kind of combo.

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couple of answers for ya

the cog drive got cut of the list went with a 12 rib, the intake will be a custom 4" intake, the car is just a weekend toy so i will run it mainly on c-16 like i did with my cobra,I hope to see that kind of boost out of the blower but 13-15 is more likely what i will see

here are the spec on the fuel pump
900 lbs/hr @13.5 volts and 45 psi should be good to 1200 hp

the exahust is FLP long tubes with dual cutouts so it should be good if not, my friend works for the orleans racing truck team and he said he would build a custom set of headers for the car.

Im only going to rev it to 6500 or where ever the car drops in power on the dyno.
Old Oct 24, 2005 | 12:05 AM
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Re: motor for boost and N2o

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Nice set up man... now the question is how much $$$$?

Also where are you getting the cog drive for your D1SC? Once again pics of the air/water intercooler would rock!!!!

-B
as soon as i get it i will post up pics

all of the tubing will be aluminum also

the cog setup was changed to a 12 rib ATI said the trans in the D1 couldnt handle the cog that it would break

$$ wise more than my wife will everknow lol over $12000 so far plus the car and drivetrain

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Old Oct 24, 2005 | 12:07 AM
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Re: motor for boost and N2o

Originally Posted by bow94z
Sounds like a killer setup...

how big of a shot of n20 are you looking to do?Any pics of your car now.?

im going to start with a 100 and go from there the kit will go to a 300
Old Oct 24, 2005 | 08:19 AM
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The setup isn't to different from mine. I am running 160lb injectors. They aren't much more expensive than smaller sizes and with SFI they idle fine. Sounds like the pump will be adequate with enough voltage, so pay attention to the wiring. Depending on the injector size, you may need to run a pretty high FP. Remember, to get the flow of 45psi you will need ~60psi to compensate for the boost.

Good call on the cogs. A 12-rib is a tight fit, I hade to replace the stock fans to get enough clearance.

I have run up to a 250hp shot with 20psi on 104 octane unleaded with water injection. So with C16, you should be fine. The last drum we bought was over $500 though, so you will be getting 1 mile/dollar when you drive it on the street!!

Good luck with your 6-speed. If you use sticky tires and run on a prepped surface I predict a short life span.

Here's a dyno sheet on mine with a 150hp shot through a TH400 with a 4,200 stall converter: http://www.kennedysdynotune.com/images/dynograph.jpg Unfortunately, the runs with a 250hp shot are not retrievable due to a HD crash. So, a mild cam/small head/boost plus N2O combo is pretty potent. Mine was definitely choked off on the exhaust side. If I wanted to go faster I would do trhe custom exhaust route, I think there is another 50-75rwhp there more than my current combo (mid length headers, dual high flow cats, Borla). I have changed things around and retired the car from the track - I didn't want to put in a full cage and ruin it as a street car. It runs well on 100 octane unleaded (available at the pump) and a 100hp shot.

You will put down huge numbers with the 6-speed, but I think it will be your weak point.

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Old Oct 24, 2005 | 08:54 AM
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Re: motor for boost and N2o

Rich, are you still running the stock PCM with an impedance converter with those 160# injectors?
Old Oct 24, 2005 | 09:53 AM
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Rich, are you still running the stock PCM with an impedance converter with those 160# injectors?
Yes. That's why the run stops at 7K (the graph is a little off and shows 7.2K, we were having trouble getting an rpm signal and were using an optical sensor that was not correctly calibrated).

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Old Oct 24, 2005 | 11:37 AM
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I hope the 6 speed hold up there are alot of 03-04 cobras and vipers putting down alot of power and running some great times with their cars and the 6-speeds are holding up. I have the best of everything you can buy inside this trans if i need to i will just run more tire pressure to it will spin insted of dead hook and break parts at the track.
Old Oct 24, 2005 | 12:05 PM
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Good luck with the tranny. I have not been too impressed with what D&D does. G-Force has a better approach, IMHO.

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Old Oct 24, 2005 | 12:29 PM
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to late now lol money is spent and it better hold for that money spent on the trans!!
Old Oct 24, 2005 | 04:12 PM
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Looks like you are building my car been their done that.

A couple things The Eliminator pump is 12an input and 10an output do not choke the pump on either side! I even threw in a Kenne Belle boostApump for good measure as that pump pulls some major juice.

The injectors are to small I maxed 75s with my set up even with running straight methanol in my alky system.

Sell the t56 and buy a TH400 thats what I did I gave up on the t56 pretty fast and unless you like to rebuild it you will too.

The D1 will produce over 20#s of boost when you use very efficient custom piping and max it out. I saw a best of 18#s with my intercooler D1 maxed I dumped it and am now spraying a bunch of meth and see 22#s.

Your HP goals are in line with my car but mine is through a TH400 loose converter and 9 inch rear. I usually spray a 100 shot ocasonally i'll throw in the 150 jets.

Good luck!

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Old Oct 24, 2005 | 04:26 PM
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Re: motor for boost and N2o

what parts were you breaking with the t-56?

I have the Aeromotive controller for the pump and Im running 8 gauge wire to the pump so I should be good there.

what kind of power does your car put down?

do you have any pics of your car?
Old Oct 24, 2005 | 04:36 PM
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>what parts were you breaking with the t-56?
All of them Now I break TH400S

>I have the Aeromotive controller for the pump and Im running 8 gauge wire >to the pump so I should be good there.
Ya the controller is good but you need a bigger feed line your return is fine.

>what kind of power does your car put down?
I can't release those numbers but you will easilly hit your goals with a six speed and you could probably hit them with a TH400

>do you have any pics of your car? Ya I have pics I can Email them if ya want

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Old Oct 24, 2005 | 04:39 PM
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Looks like a good set up. I used a Racetronix twin pump (stock lines), MSD 85 lbs fuel injectors, and a customer adjustable fuel pressure regulator and I have more than enough of fuel.

My Extreme Duty T-56 built by FLP has held up to the task just fine.

1995 Pontiac Firebird Formula
769 rwhp/682 rwtq
Current Mileage:46,000
Block:LT1
Bore/Stroke: 3.75/4.040 (388)
Compression:8.8:1
Heads: ported and polished LT1
Intake: Accel sbc fuel injection manifold with a Wilson 90 degree intake elbow.
Cam: Comp Cams custom grind blower cam
Pushrods: Comp Cams
Rocker Arms: GMPP 1.6 roller rockers
Valve Dia:1.450
Valve Spring: Comp Springs
Pistons: J&E custom blower pistons (.040 overbore)
Piston Rings: Speed Pro
Crankshaft: Eagle
Connecting Rods: Eagle “H” beam rods
Timing Chain: GMPP Extreme Duty
Harmonic Balancer: ATI with custom billet dual keyed hub by ASSC
Throttle Body: Holley 95mm
Injectors: Holley 85lbs
Fuel Pump: Racetronix with twin Walbro 340s
Ignition: Dyna-Spark High Performance GM Optispark Distributor, MSD coil, and Accel ignition box
Tuning: F.A.S.T. by Dan Bills of Finish Line Performance
Induction: Custom mandrel bent tubing by Don “The Magician” Kenik of Finish Line Performance
Cooling: Fluidyne aluminum radiator with twin Be Cool electric fans and 160* Hypertech thermostat
Power Adder: Procharger F1 (22 psi) with Griffin front mount intercooler
Headers: Finish Line Performance prototype 1.75 inch long tube headers
Exhaust: Custom 3 inch y-pipe with Mufflex 4 inch intermediate pipe with dual 3 inch outlet Spintech muffler
Transmission: Extreme Duty T-56 by Chuck Johnson of Finish Line Performance
Converter/Clutch: McLeod twin disk
Driveshaft: Midwest Driveshaft chrome moly 3.5 inch
Front Suspension: PA Racing k-member, PA Racing upper/lower a-arms, QA1 springs, and QA1 shocks
Rear Suspension: Spohn adjustable torque arm with driveshaft safety loop, Spohn lower control arms, Spohn pan hard bar, Alston subframe connectors, QA1 springs, 4th gen V6 rear shocks, Air Ride air bag (right rear shock)
Rear End: Moser 9 inch housing and 31 spline axles with a Strange posi unit and 4.11 gear
Front Brakes: stock with Rototech cross drilled and slotted rotors with ceramic pads
Rear Brakes: stock with Rototech cross drilled and slotted rotors with ceramic pads
Wheels: LG Motorsports World Challenge (17x9.5) (street)
Weld Pro Stars (15x10 & 15x3.5) (strip)
Tires: Yokohama AZ520 (285/40/17) (street)
Old Oct 24, 2005 | 04:56 PM
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email them to snwinn@***.net
Old Oct 24, 2005 | 05:01 PM
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What kind of times have you ran Badst95 with the six speed setup?
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