Scion just came out, has had 3 limited production models and Ford & GM have been out for a Century.

 

Is that the excuse for being the near bottom of the quality list?

 

Dude, you are just kidding yourself.
Fist of all, an Echo is an absolute POS. Even Kia's feel like luxury cars compared to it. If you remember, every automotive publication blasted Toyota for inferior build quality and materials when compared to competitors.

I like where you think that a Toyota or Scion will just soldier on into infinity without a problem and other brands will fall apart after a few thousand miles. This is where I can tell that you are very immature and havn't had much experience with automobiles.

By the way, you talk like you have extensive experience with GM vehicles and problems, so what GM car have you owned?

I am willing to bet that you have not looked at any GM brands recently or else you wouldn't be talking about a Cavalier or Sunfire.


Congrats, you are exactly what Toyota loves.......clueless, blind followers who like to drive toasters.

 

Toyota Motor Sales U.S.A. reported a 10% jump to 194,875 vehicles. Toyota brand sales rose 10.2% to 168,832 units, while the Lexus division gained 8.6% to 26,043.

Toyota RULES!!!!

Go Japan!!!

Your long post with no figures at all, was starting to sound like a redzed post.

Maybe you should just delete this thread with the reason for deletion in the space provided being, "embarrassment"








Just some good natured ribbing, Man.

 

And, when did production cease on the Riviera? That and the mention of Cavalier and Sunfire? All 3 models are no longer even made.




Also, I ask AGAIN, How many 10, 15, 20, 30 year old ***-crap-mobiles running around?


This arguement also reminds of a poster from the Woodward Dream Cruise, sold by GM. It said, "Will people ever line the street to watch what you drove" something like that anyway. There was another one about, "They don't write songs about something" Shoot, I can't remember the topic of that last one.

 

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The one I was trying to think of was, "They don't write songs about Volvos"

Should have said Scions. LOL

 

Scion didn't really "just come out." They were just a way to market Toyota's small cars in the US.

 

Well, John Denver might have

 

I think some of you guys are distorting the meaning of "success".

If company X decides to make 10 thingys and ends up selling 15 at MSRP to record a profit and company Y decides to make 100,000 thingys but only sells a discounted 90,000 and records a financial loss, which company is "successful"?

Anyone with $.02 of business sense would call company X more successful.

Toyota/Scion is more successful than GM right now. You can debate the merits of each companies products all you want, but the $'s paint a clear picture.

 

John Denver's alright, but what's the expression, "Consider the source and ignore it"

 

Come on WERM, that's not even Apple's to Apple's. By that logic, I can go out and build one car, sell it for a bigger profit than Scion's average profit and be more successful than Scion.

I have been trying to make the point that Scion as a car company can't even be compared to GM.

 

That's absolutely correct. If you sold only one car, but made more money than the entire scion division, wouldn't you be more successful? Why does it matter how many units you sell? If it were your company, which would you choose - to make yourself more money (i.e. richer) or to sell a higher volume and make less money (i.e. poorer)?

My point is that Toyota/Scion is more successful than GM right now. That part's not really debatable. Toyota can be building sh!tboxes while GM builds gold plated cream puffs. It doesn't matter. Toyota makes orders of magnitude more money. It is more successful.

 

The Toyota dealership claims. Whether that is true or not, that piece of evidence would be thrown out in a court of law. You think it holds up here?

And you continue on to talk about Cavaliers, Sunfires and Rivieras. Examples of cars that aren't built anymore. I'm talking about the Cobalt, the new Malibu, and the G6...the latter two have already won quality awards (and not from their dealerships! ) Now I know past cars and trucks have hurt, and will continue to hurt GM. It's an image problem that will be tough to overcome. But in terms of quality today, there is little difference between a Chevy and a Toyota. The statistics show it. And that's my point here. In today's market, with the competition so tough, I almost wonder if there really are any "horrible" cars anymore. In terms of pure quality, with the exception of your stray VW's and Kias, you probably can't buy a junk car. It all comes down to personal preference. And your preference was a Toyota. So be it.

 

I say give it 10yrs at the current rate that Toyota is doing things and the perception will change.

I can't believe any thinks Toyota is infaliable and more reliable then the next manufacturer. Atleast other manufacturers fix problems, Toyota blaimed the dealers and owners for "oil fire" problems on the Prius, plus totally missing the gas milage on the cars. Sounds like Toyota was willing to make a buck at the cost of the owner, sounds like a real quality manufacturer I want to deal with. GM just had a recall on all vehicals that had the 3.5 bcuz the balancer may not have been fully seated from the factory. Did you hear about that in the news? What other problems has Toyota blamed on the owners/dealers, I know there is atleast another one.........

 

Actually, the oil fires were on Hondas. Prius MPG is set by the federal government, like it is for all cars. The manufacturer puts the numbers on the window sticker like uncle sam tells them to. They really don't have a choice. Still, I get your point.