Are you siting a specific report, or is this your own personal belief?

 

http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews..._four_seasons/

 

It says they were great, and they are good, as I have sat in one. It does not, however, say anything about the quality exceeding its price range.

Before you jump down my throat, I know it is a well built little car. I just do think it is way too overhyped, as I don't see what is so revolutionary about it. If anything, the article points out some things that make it sounds like an entry level candidate, for example, that the engine drone at 80 at 4000 rpm is quite loud, thanks to the lack of insulation. Having been in plenty of cars with highway drone (mine included, poor exhaust choice), that gets old really quick.

 

Apparently a lot of students buy these cars. If you only have maximum 15 grand to spend, there's a lot of used cars you could buy. But if you want a new one, with a warranty it's hard to beat a Toyota. It's boring, it's ugly to most, but it's a little trooper that'll get you to class.

 

Go here search for 2004 and click on the Initial Quality Study. Look at number 4 from the bottom. Don't confuse build quality with interior material quality.

 

I love it.

High Quality my ***.

 

Not too cool to see Hummer at the bottom of the list though, for as expensive as those things are.

 

So if you are so in love with scions, then why didn't you buy one?

And I think I saw an article that stated that kids are NOT buying these, and instead the buyers are mostly middle aged people.

 

BINGO!

 

That's the sad part. There are a LOT of "little troopers" for $15,000 or less that will "get you to class". Foreign and domestic. The range of quality from the bottom to the top is so overblown in today's market it's ludicrous. Just getting a person around town without problems is easy enough for any manufacturer, so why would you "have" to choose a Toyota/Scion. You make it sound like little Jennifer is going to be stranded on the side of the road every other day in something else.

After rebates a Cobalt can be had for under $15,000, has a quality interior and offers some style, and the best part is, you're supporting Chevrolet.

 

This jimbo guy cracks me up. He talks about build quality, and reliability, and then someone comes back with PROOF that they have issues on both departments but he just says something else that makes him look like a desperate lawyer trying to get his client off the hook for murder. Toyota probably does make cars that are high in quality, and are very reliable. Scions and his corolla are not cars they put the money and effort into getting in that class. Those cars are made to be ENTRY LEVEL. You don't get top of the line quality when you pay for bottom of the line automobiles.

I know it's no fun to bring this type of discussion up in a toyota forum, but come on. You're acting like a girl in highschool that makes out with another guy in front of her ex boyfriend just to **** him off.

 

I'd give him a little bit of a break. I think the reason he is so worried about quality is that his last car was a Volkswagen. In that case, I can't say that I blame him.

 

lol, ouch.

The Scion test will be when the trend wears down some. I wouldt call it a sucess story though.. hell anything priced THAT low should sell. We all know people sacrafice 'what they want' for 'what they can afford.' Looking at it that way, has Scion sold enough units to an established company??

 

GM sold 550,829 vehicles last month.

Lets see, if Scion and that's a big if, can sell 62000 vehicles in one year, that is 5166 vehicles a month.

You are missing some digits there Scion boy.

Like 2 digits.

5166 X 106=550,829

I know it wasn't a typical GM sales month, but Scion hasn't even had one year yet either with 62,000 vehicles sold.

The longer we have this conversation and then with the quality stats thrown in, I don't even think its a valid coversation.

You know what GM and Ford and heck, probably Toyata consider a model, with sales like Scion, much less a whole division with sales like Scion.....................Niche.



Final point along those lines. Can you guys imagine the quality of a GM, or Ford product if the whole company only sold 64,000 vehicles in a year, heck, only 64,000 vehicles in a month?

They would out quality EVERY SINGLE CAR ON THE ROAD.

What's Scion's excuse?

 

Actually the Toyota dealership claims their entry-level Echo is built with the same quality as their flagship Avalon.
GM's entry-level reminds me of that Simpson's where homer was filing his taxes and he bunded everything together in 15 seconds with cheap tape. There's a GM car in the garage next to mine. There's another American car in front of the house. Another one at my mom's. And *gasp* I'm the ONLY import owner in my family besides my sister.
My own father was a die-hard American-car loyalist. He always has been buying big, flagship American cars. I remember being young and daddy's new Thunderbird liked to spew oil onto the driveway.
Even now, with his low-mileage Riviera, the CD player is f*cked, the gas guage doesn't work, a nasty smell comes through the vents, the alignment keeps being thrown off, it squeaks and rattles nonstop and any time he took it in for warranty the GM dealers all told him to f*ck off.
He's almost 60. He grew up with American cars. He never thought of buying anything else.
Boy was he in for a shock when he found out that my "cheap" Toyota was built a lot tigher than his car. For being half the weight and smaller, it didn't rattle or feel like it was ready to do a blues brother's explosion when it goes over train tracks or rough-surface roads. It doesn't have power window failures like my friend's 2000+ GM Van with low mileage. Hell when the woman @ work's Chrysler blew a hose and spilled coolant out the bottom, she was in awe when i gave her a ride home to see how my cheap Toyota seemed to ride so much smoother than her 2x the price car.
So Toyota doesn't seem to have an Employee discount. Or a gas discount as GM has here. Or 0% financing as they have here. Or any of that jazz. Seems the GM dealers around here beg the f*ck out of you to PLEASE TAKE THEIR CARS away!!!
Any time I pass this giant GM dealership up here it has the same cars always sitting around. GM is being riddiculed in the automotive world for using inferior quality and cutting more corners.
Why should I support Chevrolet when they wouldn't support me if a problem arose?
An Echo or a Corolla are lightyears ahead of a comparable Cavalier or Sunfire or whatever, in terms of quality. It might take a few thousand miles to realize that one car is gonna hold up and the other one is gonna die.
What brought me into the Toyota dealership? A reputation for quality and reliability.
What brought me into the GM dealership? Camaros, Corvettes, Cadillacs, etc.
What kept me at the Toyota dealership? Quality, reliability, resale, etc.
What brought me away from the GM dealership? Horrible service, not honouring warranties, their cars falling apart literally on the lot, and the fact that they need 100 rebates to sell you a junk.