Toyota is the second-largest car company in the world. Some say Toyota will surpass GM as early as 2010.

 

Cool, we should all meet somewhere in our f-bodies and have a party to congragulate Toyota! Doesn't that sound like fun!!!

 

How many xB's does Scion sell annually so far?

What about Honda with it's Element?

I'm willing to bet blind that HHR will outsell both of them without much trouble.

 

Through May Honda has sold 22,000 Elements (down slightly from last year). Toyota has sold 23,000 xBs and 62,000 Scions in total.

 

Run forever? I don't see too many 10 year old Scion's running around with 225,000 miles, or I'm sorry, 225,000 kilometers(*** Crap) on them.

Bring the thread back up in 8 years and lets see how many run forever.

 

There cheap w/ alot of option...thats why they sell...Hyundai's are all over the road for the same reason...Scions are ugly as f%ck imo...each and every one.

 

62,000 total? Oh man, Let's burn down the Renaissance Center, because GM must be out of business from that competition.

It's just a Niche brand and models.

 

All BS aside, wasn't that a big demographic for subaru?

 

And some people say Martians are going to take over in 2020...

Europe and China are strong markets - also not to forget Mexico, Chili, Brasil, etc... Toyota may be gaining ground in the United States but GM is where they need to be in Europe and China. I was back in Germany again a couple weeks ago and you see Mercedes, BMW's, Fords and GM's (with an occasional Porche). Didn't see a Japanese vehicle the whole way. EDIT(I take that back I saw 1 Honda - and there was some N*** looking German Rednecks in that pos, lol. We blew past them in our Ford Mondeo, heh.)

Also, I believe GM is making strides in China.

The US market is the most important, but it's a FAR cry from Worldwide Sales which is a totally different ballgame.

Europe I would put at second place and China at third place.

China is growing much faster then the US and Europe but it's an unstable market that's why in terms of Importance the US and EU are still more important. But China could be the key for the future of GM so I think most Auto manufacturers see it as a Risk they HAVE to take as China is on it's way to being the next superpower...

PS: Does anybody know about the Russian market? I've never been there so I can't say. Do they have their own Auto manufacturers? I would imagine they lean on the German manufacturers for vehicles, but I'm not sure.

 

"They run forever."

Nice of you to perpetuate the myth. Of course, this has nothing to do with you owning a Toyota. News flash: all mechanical things break.

"People want built with quality over stylish and fast."

Uh. No. People WANT stylish and fast, and SETTLE for quality build. Unless they're kidding themselves.

 

Actually Scion has rated VERY low in JD Power's initial quality tests, they haven't been out long enough for long term data. Also they aren't new they cars are all based on the Echo which has been here a few years and in Japan a few years so it is like as old as a refreshed J-body but still having horrid quality problems.

 

Chrome has got it right. GM is definately looking good around the world and China will become a major player here soon. They are expanding quite rapidly, but like he said, it's unstable. I'm curious to see how the car craze goes over there concerning personal liberties, etc.
I'm still waiting for something really huge to happen in China. Either a coup or some move by Taiwan or something.

But as to the cars themselves, Scions I think sell mostly on being different and cheap. It seems more like Toyota tells us what we should want rather than the general public knows what it wants.

 

Anyone else see the article in USAToday last week where GM is planning on accessorizing the Chevy HHR in similar fashion?

 

Be as it may, it's a "myth" t hat a LOT of people buy into. Word of mouth, too.

 

Dude, just because the majority of the US is content with being uninformed and uneducated, doesn't mean it's right. Toyota's don't run forever anymore than anything else runs forever. I've never seen any studies were 80% of all toyotas from the 80's and 90's are still running with over 200,000 miles. So what do you toyota supporters base that on when you claim they run forever? And just because toyota's are known for being dependable, it doesn't mean they are going to put the same quality and dependable parts in this CHEAP new affordable brand. NEWS FLASH: Your corolla isn’t going to run forever, it's not a high quality marvel that toyota got its rep for, and it's not going to run forever. It's going to be just like any other $14k car out there. The toyota badge on the grill isn't going to work as some protective barrier for it.