Time for a reality check on the 5th gen
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Re: Time for a reality check on the 5th gen
Originally Posted by Killaz
so when you say 2008 does that mean 2007 model year?
I suspect the car is farther along than is let on, but I doubt it's near final approval yet.
January starts the 2007 model year. I'd say that makes it pretty much makes a 2007 Camaro a perfect poster child for the word "impossible".
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Re: Time for a reality check on the 5th gen
Doesn't the fact that Camaro will be late to the party change the dynamics somewhat? Usually, the expectations from buyers is greater of the latecomer... it shouldn't be a me-too car? (that's a question, btw 
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Re: Time for a reality check on the 5th gen
'When work began on the F-car in August 1964, a set of specific baselines were established by Chevrolet for the final design:
Distinctively modern aerodynamic styling for a clean functional appearance
Small, highly maneuverable size with packaging for four passengers
A very broad range of available performance capability
Quick, sharply defined roadability with a firm, yet comfortable ride
"Cockpit-type" interiors for close driver identification
An evolutionary, rather than revolutionary, basic design approach to maintain maximum value to the customer
Wide Selection of mechanical and appearance equipment to allow customer tailoring to his needs and desires'
Distinctively modern aerodynamic styling for a clean functional appearance
Small, highly maneuverable size with packaging for four passengers
A very broad range of available performance capability
Quick, sharply defined roadability with a firm, yet comfortable ride
"Cockpit-type" interiors for close driver identification
An evolutionary, rather than revolutionary, basic design approach to maintain maximum value to the customer
Wide Selection of mechanical and appearance equipment to allow customer tailoring to his needs and desires'
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Re: Time for a reality check on the 5th gen
For those who have memory lapse, Mustang created Camaro. And like it or not, it's the sales success of the current Mustang that's broken the logjam and got things moving for the 5th gen. If you can't handle that fact, I'm sure Red has some more of that fantastic kool-aid he's tempted to chug when he comes here and listens to all us "devoted" Camaro enthusiasts tell him he doesn't know what he's doing, and he's created a pig of a car....though no one has seen the thing.
Look, I personally would love a G35-like Camaro. I recall saying that back in '03, and many times over since. If I were king of the world, I'd create a Mitsubishi sized car with RWD and an LS2. But I'm perfectly honest enough to say my idea would run Camaro into the ground, because while I'd win over plenty of hard core enthusiasts, I would have turned off the car to plenty of people. I can be honest enough to say my opinion of what the next Camaro should be wouldn't be in the best intrest of Camaro having a future.
The difference here is that I'm willing to compromise to make sure Camaro HAS A FUTURE. As long as the basics are right. A better looking, quicker, and better made sporty coupe than the other guys come up with.
I WANT the next Camaro to sell like crazy.
I WANT the next Camaro to guarantee they'll be another.
I WANT a Camaro that's going to win over new buyers, and not just Camaro bobbleheads.
I'm willing to give a bit in order to do this.
Look, I personally would love a G35-like Camaro. I recall saying that back in '03, and many times over since. If I were king of the world, I'd create a Mitsubishi sized car with RWD and an LS2. But I'm perfectly honest enough to say my idea would run Camaro into the ground, because while I'd win over plenty of hard core enthusiasts, I would have turned off the car to plenty of people. I can be honest enough to say my opinion of what the next Camaro should be wouldn't be in the best intrest of Camaro having a future.
The difference here is that I'm willing to compromise to make sure Camaro HAS A FUTURE. As long as the basics are right. A better looking, quicker, and better made sporty coupe than the other guys come up with.
I WANT the next Camaro to sell like crazy.
I WANT the next Camaro to guarantee they'll be another.
I WANT a Camaro that's going to win over new buyers, and not just Camaro bobbleheads.
I'm willing to give a bit in order to do this.
). It's so cool to see someone say that here! THIS is one of the reasons I come to this site. 
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Re: Time for a reality check on the 5th gen
5th gen production is still too far off to nail down, it will not be 2007 but more likely 2009-10. I think alot will depend on the concept car this winter at NAIAS. Hopefully we will see a road worthy concept and if reception is hot then it will be pushed forward for production ASAP. But what if reception is cool to the concept will Camaro be put of the back burner again and pushed out further from production? I for one hope GM gets the concept right.
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Re: Time for a reality check on the 5th gen
Originally Posted by guionM
Nothing wrong with a difference of opinion, even if it's wrong. 
Look, before GM is going to commit billions of dollars producing the thing, they are going to study the living daylights out of it. Being that they have been studying and doing research to some degree or another for damn near a decade, and many people have worked to all levels of frustration to get the car back, the idea that anyone's opinion here is going to weigh more, or be more correct than what Red and the gang he works with has come up through research, and sales figures of it's competition with is ludicrious.
For those who have memory lapse, Mustang created Camaro. And like it or not, it's the sales success of the current Mustang that's broken the logjam and got things moving for the 5th gen. If you can't handle that fact, I'm sure Red has some more of that fantastic kool-aid he's tempted to chug when he comes here and listens to all us "devoted" Camaro enthusiasts tell him he doesn't know what he's doing, and he's created a pig of a car....though no one has seen the thing.
Look, I personally would love a G35-like Camaro. I recall saying that back in '03, and many times over since. If I were king of the world, I'd create a Mitsubishi sized car with RWD and an LS2. But I'm perfectly honest enough to say my idea would run Camaro into the ground, because while I'd win over plenty of hard core enthusiasts, I would have turned off the car to plenty of people. I can be honest enough to say my opinion of what the next Camaro should be wouldn't be in the best intrest of Camaro having a future.
The difference here is that I'm willing to compromise to make sure Camaro HAS A FUTURE. As long as the basics are right. A better looking, quicker, and better made sporty coupe than the other guys come up with.
I WANT the next Camaro to sell like crazy.
I WANT the next Camaro to guarantee they'll be another.
I WANT a Camaro that's going to win over new buyers, and not just Camaro bobbleheads.
I'm willing to give a bit in order to do this.
Wanna talk about who's more devoted to Camaro?
Want to debate who's more committed to Camaro's future?
You want to talk about someone who's going to walk the walk, not just talk the talk??
Line forms to the left.
Throw the dice and take your chances.
Look, before GM is going to commit billions of dollars producing the thing, they are going to study the living daylights out of it. Being that they have been studying and doing research to some degree or another for damn near a decade, and many people have worked to all levels of frustration to get the car back, the idea that anyone's opinion here is going to weigh more, or be more correct than what Red and the gang he works with has come up through research, and sales figures of it's competition with is ludicrious.
For those who have memory lapse, Mustang created Camaro. And like it or not, it's the sales success of the current Mustang that's broken the logjam and got things moving for the 5th gen. If you can't handle that fact, I'm sure Red has some more of that fantastic kool-aid he's tempted to chug when he comes here and listens to all us "devoted" Camaro enthusiasts tell him he doesn't know what he's doing, and he's created a pig of a car....though no one has seen the thing.
Look, I personally would love a G35-like Camaro. I recall saying that back in '03, and many times over since. If I were king of the world, I'd create a Mitsubishi sized car with RWD and an LS2. But I'm perfectly honest enough to say my idea would run Camaro into the ground, because while I'd win over plenty of hard core enthusiasts, I would have turned off the car to plenty of people. I can be honest enough to say my opinion of what the next Camaro should be wouldn't be in the best intrest of Camaro having a future.
The difference here is that I'm willing to compromise to make sure Camaro HAS A FUTURE. As long as the basics are right. A better looking, quicker, and better made sporty coupe than the other guys come up with.
I WANT the next Camaro to sell like crazy.
I WANT the next Camaro to guarantee they'll be another.
I WANT a Camaro that's going to win over new buyers, and not just Camaro bobbleheads.
I'm willing to give a bit in order to do this.
Wanna talk about who's more devoted to Camaro?
Want to debate who's more committed to Camaro's future?
You want to talk about someone who's going to walk the walk, not just talk the talk??
Line forms to the left.
Throw the dice and take your chances.
Here's what I get out of this Guy.
If you ruled the world, you'd make a Camaro an inch smaller than the SN95. But since you don't, you would sacrifice that, because - only an S197 sized Camaro will save the Camaro marque .
What's that about kool-aid?
PS
Red hasn't designed this car.
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Re: Time for a reality check on the 5th gen
Small, highly maneuverable size with packaging for four passengers
Interesting, huh?
Interesting, huh?
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Re: Time for a reality check on the 5th gen
Sadly, I lost track of the news on the 5th gen, and I don't care. If it comes out, it comes out. If it doesn't, I don't care anymore. I'll buy an older gen, or get a used C5, or even consider a Ford. They axed one of my favorite cars, and I just won't buy anything new from them again, especially if they butcher something or screw it up. If they want to sit on their ***, fine, I'll go buy something else. I'm not waiting up for anything anymore.
...for a little strategic repositioning.(Shh-h-h-h-h)
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Re: Time for a reality check on the 5th gen
Originally Posted by SSbaby
Doesn't the fact that Camaro will be late to the party change the dynamics somewhat? Usually, the expectations from buyers is greater of the latecomer... it shouldn't be a me-too car? (that's a question, btw )
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Re: Time for a reality check on the 5th gen
Originally Posted by jg95z28
The original Camaro came late to the party as well.
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Re: Time for a reality check on the 5th gen
Originally Posted by guionM
Look, I personally would love a G35-like Camaro. I recall saying that back in '03, and many times over since.
Compared to the Mustang it's 6" shorter on a 5" longer wheelbase, marginally taller with the same rear head room and more rear legroom. In essence all Chevy needs to do is wrap a tight coupe package onto the CTS platform with a lower cowl and we have ourselves the perfect 5th gen.
Originally Posted by jg95z28
You guys that want a smaller, sportier, IRS, AWD coupe should be getting an AWD version of the Cobalt SS. For the rest of us, give us the Camaro we want. 
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Re: Time for a reality check on the 5th gen
Through Jan-June '05 the G35 coupe has sold 13,331 units here. Would that be enough to justify a G35ish formula for a Camaro? Isnt that about how the 01-02 Camaro sold??
(The Sedan sold over 21K units through June, btw)
(The Sedan sold over 21K units through June, btw)
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Re: Time for a reality check on the 5th gen
Originally Posted by graham
Through Jan-June '05 the G35 coupe has sold 13,331 units here. Would that be enough to justify a G35ish formula for a Camaro? Isnt that about how the 01-02 Camaro sold??
(The Sedan sold over 21K units through June, btw)
(The Sedan sold over 21K units through June, btw)