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Old Sep 7, 2005 | 01:50 PM
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Re: Time for a reality check on the 5th gen

Originally Posted by 91_z28_4me
We aren't dismissing you because you post on a forum or because you are a salesman. We are dismissing you because you think you know more than people who have been studing and designing cars for most of their lives. They make it a point to understand EVERYTHING they can about the part or parts they are responsible for. You however, by your own admission, have little to NO knowledge of these systems. And yet you think you can do better, that sounds really egocentric.

I know my limits and in order to better help people I am going to continue my education, that is how I will earn the respect needed to do what I want to in life. You want to build cars then go start your own company with your own money OR go back to school and get the required degrees to be looked at by the people with the cash and the opportunities, until then you are just a rambling monkey.
okay, egocentric maybe, usually a bit shy, but... this is the first objection i will agree is probably true. I know my limits, and you know yours, GM is coming out of the hole, and they wouldnt want to build the best they could GM is capable of better then the z06, but why introduce it all at once, lets give baby steps so we have some ideas 4-5 years later...

The last time I showed a fellow friend my concept he believe that no one would want it, although he confirmed my beliefs about the performance.
Old Sep 7, 2005 | 02:07 PM
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Re: Time for a reality check on the 5th gen

Originally Posted by NewbieWar
okay, egocentric maybe, usually a bit shy, but... this is the first objection i will agree is probably true. I know my limits, and you know yours, GM is coming out of the hole, and they wouldnt want to build the best they could GM is capable of better then the z06, but why introduce it all at once, lets give baby steps so we have some ideas 4-5 years later...

The last time I showed a fellow friend my concept he believe that no one would want it, although he confirmed my beliefs about the performance.
Nice flame war guys...take it to PM
Old Sep 7, 2005 | 02:09 PM
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Re: Time for a reality check on the 5th gen

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Nice flame war guys...take it to PM
I'm done on this thread... ugg... lol and please dont fill my pm box

for the record there are two of these threads? wow how did that happen?
Old Sep 7, 2005 | 03:05 PM
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Re: Time for a reality check on the 5th gen

Originally Posted by 91_z28_4me
I can be sure because GM spent a BUTLOAD of money with the best of the best, people who designed the C5 then the C6 then they went and got Alcoa (aluminum experts) to help design the chassis.
My company spent a much-smaller buttload of money to get Alcoa to "help" us design the chassis for our 250-400cc equivalent electric motor scooter. They were next to useless. We did our own design (myself and our CAD jockey), throwing out most of their suggestions to use some of their proprietary methods that would only have cost us more money to have a less efficient structure. In the end their report acknowledged that our design was cheaper, stronger, and lighter

We also had Getrag do some gearbox work for us. We had to redesign that as well. Their design as structurally deficient, and their analysis was WRONG (constraints inconsistent with reality). We're now working with DESC/Tremec (same folks that made/make the Fbody, C5, C6, and GTO 6-speed trannies). Now THOSE guys have their shiznit TOGETHER!

Of course, GM obviously has all their ducks in a row before they go to a supplier, and they get a LOT more serious attention than the small company I work for does.

But still, a big-name company doesn't *necessarily* imply efficient, or even ADEQUATE, design.
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