jg95z28

What, the bit from Zazarine's book?

Z284ever

Yeah, that one.

jg95z28

http://web.camaross.com/forums/showthread.php?t=389720

Z284ever

BINGO!!!

THAT is the formula!


There it is...
As far as I'm concerned the frickin' holy grail of Camaroness.

SGT Posaune

I should have worded that a little bit better.

I think you are over estimating the cost of adding the IRS to the Camaro. The IRS will not be made from the expensive alloys, instead, it will use much cheaper steel. IIRC a few of the people in the know stated in a thread about IRS vs SLA that the cost was only a few hundred dollars because they are using cheaper steel.

jg95z28

I only have a problem with the term "small". In the mid 1960's it meant a 1st gen sized Camaro. In today's terms it means a much smaller vehicle. While I agree the 4th gen was a land yacht; we shouldn't be expecting a Cobalt-sized Camaro.

I think proportionally something along the lines of the current GTO would suffice provided it is lower-slung (i.e. shorter) and wider.

guionM

No. But I'd be willing to bet 08 if GM lifts their moritorium on spending on their RWD program

Cobalt.


If you mean size, yes. If you mean design, no.

Camaro came into existance because of the Mustang.

Mustang stayed true to what it was, Camaro did not.

Mustang is here selling 200,000 cars per year. Camaro is in it's grave because it couldn't compete.

Any questions?

And those stand alone designs and extremely UN-Chryslerlike quality and the fact that the only thing that's like the LX cars is a 25 year old Panther chassis Crown Victoria and Grand Marquis had nothing to do with the car's success?

97z28/m6

something between cobalt and mustang would be perfect size wise.

turbo200

I know Guion already responded to this, but I just wanted to reiterate to make it clear.

You're wrong.

Lx cars sell because they are a liveable package, they are dynamic (in both looks and drive), they are well priced, and present a completely different proposition to the marketplace than what is being offered. Hemi only helps the case. Guion's post about an engine in a tin can is exactly right, an engine does not make sales, it only helps.

EDIT: Allow me to extrapolate a little more on that: an engine is a major proponent of what goes into the sale of a car; engine and transmission feel are both major selling points. However, so are design, packaging, right size, value, up-to-dateness, etc, etc....

SSbaby

The Camaro must have roots to its past. For my money, it must out-handle and out-power the Mustang. It must look georgeous in a value package that is desireable. The lighter they build it the better... that would also mean size should be as small as is 'practical'.

Just my 2c.

turbo200

This only serves to cement the fact in my mind that styling and design should be a number one priority in designing a car [future GM car, and all cars, will prove this]. It is especially important in the coupe market, where buyers are already sacrificing practicality for the sake of good looks. Style, style style!

A huge reason for Mustang's success is style. It has made a splash since it went on display at the auto shows. People didn't care about the engine then. Nobody had driven it and seen its capibilities. Nobody had touched the interior, but yet this car drew as big a crowd as the Cadillac Sixteen, another car that sells on, you betcha, style!

Of course, the Mustang continues to gain an audience because of the well thought out package it is. And that is why I could not agree with Guion more. Let GM worry about the details, I know it's in the right hands if the car they are shooting for is the Mustang. Yes, I would love for it to be a little smaller, maybe like 185 OAL (though for my extreme tastes, around 182 would be perfect), but I am not going to bitch and whine when the right car with the right styling with the right name we all know and love is coming! Get off your soapboxes, and start complaining when some real evidence showed up. Like the time when we all found out the Torrent would have a 3.4L engine for the "performance division" and tarnished that division's name yet again!

Darth Xed

To add to the fact that Mustang is selling 200,000 units... and that isn't enough apparently for some folks, but.... that is the most they can build! That's the build capacity! Otherwise they probably would have built a lot more.

guionM

Nothing wrong with a difference of opinion, even if it's wrong.

Look, before GM is going to commit billions of dollars producing the thing, they are going to study the living daylights out of it. Being that they have been studying and doing research to some degree or another for damn near a decade, and many people have worked to all levels of frustration to get the car back, the idea that anyone's opinion here is going to weigh more, or be more correct than what Red and the gang he works with has come up through research, and sales figures of it's competition with is ludicrious.

For those who have memory lapse, Mustang created Camaro. And like it or not, it's the sales success of the current Mustang that's broken the logjam and got things moving for the 5th gen. If you can't handle that fact, I'm sure Red has some more of that fantastic kool-aid he's tempted to chug when he comes here and listens to all us "devoted" Camaro enthusiasts tell him he doesn't know what he's doing, and he's created a pig of a car....though no one has seen the thing.



Look, I personally would love a G35-like Camaro. I recall saying that back in '03, and many times over since. If I were king of the world, I'd create a Mitsubishi sized car with RWD and an LS2. But I'm perfectly honest enough to say my idea would run Camaro into the ground, because while I'd win over plenty of hard core enthusiasts, I would have turned off the car to plenty of people. I can be honest enough to say my opinion of what the next Camaro should be wouldn't be in the best intrest of Camaro having a future.

The difference here is that I'm willing to compromise to make sure Camaro HAS A FUTURE. As long as the basics are right. A better looking, quicker, and better made sporty coupe than the other guys come up with.

I WANT the next Camaro to sell like crazy.
I WANT the next Camaro to guarantee they'll be another.
I WANT a Camaro that's going to win over new buyers, and not just Camaro bobbleheads.
I'm willing to give a bit in order to do this.

Wanna talk about who's more devoted to Camaro?

Want to debate who's more committed to Camaro's future?

You want to talk about someone who's going to walk the walk, not just talk the talk??

Line forms to the left.

Throw the dice and take your chances.

Chrome383Z

ROFLMAO! There's a new one, LOL.

Killaz

so when you say 2008 does that mean 2007 model year?