So you want to save the Camaro name???
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While browsing my favorite website, www.camaroz28.com, I stumbled upon a post saying that the name CAMARO may be in jeopardy of being discontinued. In 2002, I was shocked to find the Camaro discontinued, and am growing increasingly eager to discover if there is any merit to the concept cars I've been seeing. I'm 18, and have owned 3 cars, a 1979 Camaro RS, a 1992 Camaro RS, and a 1993 Camaro Z28. The name camaro means a lot to me. To me it means muscle. It means American car. To me, the name Camaro means Chevy power.
Sincerily,
Michael Wilson
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Sincerily,
Michael Wilson
Consider my comment sent
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My letter has been completed
I respectfully request that you forward the following letter to Chairman Bob Lutz.
Dear Mr. Lutz
I would like to take a second and address some of my concerns as what I am sure is a valued GM customer. First however, I would like to thank you for 35 years of your company's dedication to a wonderful vehicle that we all came to love; the Camaro.
I would like to take a few minutes out of your very busy schedule to let you know what the Camaro has meant to my family and myself. My first experience with the Camaro was in high school in 1993. I was a sophomore and fell in love with the very first 4th Generation Camaro I ever saw. I knew that I had to have one. It took me three years of sacking groceries to save up for that car, and in 1996, as a Senior I bought my first Camaro...a Mystic Teal Metallic V-6. Two years later I upgraded to a 1995 Pontiac Trans Am. I was loved the power of the LT1 V8 and was determined to have one. The Camaro has been in my life quite a bit. My groom's cake at my wedding had a picture of a white Z-28 on it. My best man knew how much Camaro's meant to me and had a picture sprayed right into the icing. My Christmas stocking since I was 17 has had a picture of a Camaro on it with the words "Mike's Christmas Wish". I still use it. I have countless other Camaro stories but don't want to take up too much of your time. Let me get on with it.
Upon hearing that there would be no more F-bodies after 2002 my wife and I, who are both in the US Air Force, used our small enlisted salaries to purchase not one, but two brand new F-bodies; a 35th Anniversary Camaro SS and a 2002 Pontiac WS6. Mr. Lutz, let me tell you, this was no small deal for us, we worked very hard to afford your product. Today we are both very pleased with our cars, but are saddened that we cannot look forward to the next generation muscle car from GM. We have always spread through word of mouth the Camaro name and what it has meant to us, and that is "Bang for the Buck"!
I know this letter is running long Mr. Lutz but if I may give a few suggestions as customer of four of your F-body products. First off, if GM is planning in the near future an affordable muscle car, please name it Camaro. The name means more to the consumer than you may realize and has a rich heritage. I would also like to tell you a few things that I have loved and things I think that could change.
First off, I love the Camaro's power. My LS1 is still competitive today. The driving position is also a plus. It is comfortable and never lets me forget I am in a sports car. I also love the long hood short deck design. T-tops are awesome, the transmission choices have never been a problem and the styling still looks great even 6 years after the last update.
Now for some stuff I think I would like to see in a future Camaro. The first thing that comes to mind is the catalytic converter hump; it puts my wife's feet to sleep. The rear end is historically weak. I would also like to see true dual exhaust; you pulled one out for the GTO, and it sounds really sweet. The interior quality could also be better.
GM's current offerings do not fit my family's needs. The GTO, SSR, and Corvette are all too expensive. If there are any plans for a future I would love to be contacted if you need any inputs or customer feedback.
Sir, I know you are busy so let me leave you with a few things. Ford has managed to make the Mustang fun, exciting, and profitable. I know that GM can do the same with a future muscle car (hopefully named the Camaro). As time passes with no word on a new muscle car from your company, many of your devoted customers will start looking elsewhere. I am sure that you look at sales records and are very aware of your repeat buyers. There are many out there that just cannot find what they are looking for on a GM sales lot right now and therefore are looking at your competitors.
Thank your time and your ear. Thanks again for the first 35 years of staying true to the muscle car formula, and devoted to your customers.
Very Respectfully,
Mike ******
I haven't sent this letter off yet so if you guys have any suggestions for changes, I will hold off and send it tomorrow.
I respectfully request that you forward the following letter to Chairman Bob Lutz.
Dear Mr. Lutz
I would like to take a second and address some of my concerns as what I am sure is a valued GM customer. First however, I would like to thank you for 35 years of your company's dedication to a wonderful vehicle that we all came to love; the Camaro.
I would like to take a few minutes out of your very busy schedule to let you know what the Camaro has meant to my family and myself. My first experience with the Camaro was in high school in 1993. I was a sophomore and fell in love with the very first 4th Generation Camaro I ever saw. I knew that I had to have one. It took me three years of sacking groceries to save up for that car, and in 1996, as a Senior I bought my first Camaro...a Mystic Teal Metallic V-6. Two years later I upgraded to a 1995 Pontiac Trans Am. I was loved the power of the LT1 V8 and was determined to have one. The Camaro has been in my life quite a bit. My groom's cake at my wedding had a picture of a white Z-28 on it. My best man knew how much Camaro's meant to me and had a picture sprayed right into the icing. My Christmas stocking since I was 17 has had a picture of a Camaro on it with the words "Mike's Christmas Wish". I still use it. I have countless other Camaro stories but don't want to take up too much of your time. Let me get on with it.
Upon hearing that there would be no more F-bodies after 2002 my wife and I, who are both in the US Air Force, used our small enlisted salaries to purchase not one, but two brand new F-bodies; a 35th Anniversary Camaro SS and a 2002 Pontiac WS6. Mr. Lutz, let me tell you, this was no small deal for us, we worked very hard to afford your product. Today we are both very pleased with our cars, but are saddened that we cannot look forward to the next generation muscle car from GM. We have always spread through word of mouth the Camaro name and what it has meant to us, and that is "Bang for the Buck"!
I know this letter is running long Mr. Lutz but if I may give a few suggestions as customer of four of your F-body products. First off, if GM is planning in the near future an affordable muscle car, please name it Camaro. The name means more to the consumer than you may realize and has a rich heritage. I would also like to tell you a few things that I have loved and things I think that could change.
First off, I love the Camaro's power. My LS1 is still competitive today. The driving position is also a plus. It is comfortable and never lets me forget I am in a sports car. I also love the long hood short deck design. T-tops are awesome, the transmission choices have never been a problem and the styling still looks great even 6 years after the last update.
Now for some stuff I think I would like to see in a future Camaro. The first thing that comes to mind is the catalytic converter hump; it puts my wife's feet to sleep. The rear end is historically weak. I would also like to see true dual exhaust; you pulled one out for the GTO, and it sounds really sweet. The interior quality could also be better.
GM's current offerings do not fit my family's needs. The GTO, SSR, and Corvette are all too expensive. If there are any plans for a future I would love to be contacted if you need any inputs or customer feedback.
Sir, I know you are busy so let me leave you with a few things. Ford has managed to make the Mustang fun, exciting, and profitable. I know that GM can do the same with a future muscle car (hopefully named the Camaro). As time passes with no word on a new muscle car from your company, many of your devoted customers will start looking elsewhere. I am sure that you look at sales records and are very aware of your repeat buyers. There are many out there that just cannot find what they are looking for on a GM sales lot right now and therefore are looking at your competitors.
Thank your time and your ear. Thanks again for the first 35 years of staying true to the muscle car formula, and devoted to your customers.
Very Respectfully,
Mike ******
I haven't sent this letter off yet so if you guys have any suggestions for changes, I will hold off and send it tomorrow.
Last edited by Ponyhtr; Apr 22, 2004 at 10:18 PM.
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As a life long Ford and Mustang enthusiast I feel the loss of the Camaro and Firebird is unfortunate. Although I am a loyal Mustang owner (7 so far) I always had respect for the Camaro and the Firebirds. For the most part those at corporate headquarters do not understand what it is like to be loyal to a certain car, the enthusiast who loves his car and passes on his excitement to their friends and future generations who at times end up buying the same car. In the age of hybrids and import cars, true legends were lost with the Camaro and Firebird, pure American V8 muscle. Sales for the Camaro and the Firebird fell dramatically, however what does GM expect after they do not redesign the car after nine years? They don't realize that the true car enthusiast will buy the car because it performs, but the average Joe will not by a 2001 if it looks almost the same as a 1993. I have a gut feeling the Mustang might be headed for the same fate as the F-bodies in about five years. I think that the Mustang and the Camaro need each other to survive. I hope to be at a red light in a couple of years and look to my right and see a brand new Camaro or Firebird. Then the fun times will be back again.......I hope GM listens to you!
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anyone get a reply yet?
Someone at GM sent me an email stating he was sorry for my concerns, but there was nothing he can do about it.
Then toward the end of the letter he said something like, he got a TON of emails about this already, but they will not help any, yada yada.
What a bunch of bull
keep on sending them people. But I think theres already plans to bring it back in a few years, they just wont say it
Someone at GM sent me an email stating he was sorry for my concerns, but there was nothing he can do about it.
Then toward the end of the letter he said something like, he got a TON of emails about this already, but they will not help any, yada yada.
What a bunch of bull
keep on sending them people. But I think theres already plans to bring it back in a few years, they just wont say it
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They replied to me w/ something about how there are no plans for a camaro/firebird, and how anything i hear different is not valid.....
Would the goverment release info about their future plans in advance? No...Would GM release their future plans? No
Would the goverment release info about their future plans in advance? No...Would GM release their future plans? No
Last edited by Decap92RS; Apr 25, 2004 at 04:42 AM.
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I tried to address three issues in my letter. Firstly the disappointment I have about the discontinuing of the F-bodies. Secondly the urgency of adressing the youth market with a middle-performance 2+2 car (like Ford is) and thirdly, the importance of using this car to maintain market share and secure GM's future - ie. the youth market grows older and buys pickups, mini-vans, and SUV's.
Let's face it, I'm a GM guy at heart. I love the pushrod LS1 V8. I knew every inch of the SBC and the Pontiac V8 and now I know the LS1. All of them are typical GM with familiar engineering. The LS1 is a great engine. My WS6 T/A is a great car - it freaking looks like a European exotic.
But I understand that GM needs a more mainstream 2+2 car, much like the 1st gen. Camaro that had a decent rear seat and fair size trunk. Porsche has done it with the new 911s in design (Porsche is not a mainstream car LOL) so I feel it should be a piece of cake for GM to do.
If they're saying that they don't care about the noise they're getting from us, maybe we should start buying shares in GM (after all, they aren't a bad investment) and start talking about removing those executives who are standing in the way of the next Camaro and Firebird. Chances are those same people are not good for GM anyway.
Let's face it, I'm a GM guy at heart. I love the pushrod LS1 V8. I knew every inch of the SBC and the Pontiac V8 and now I know the LS1. All of them are typical GM with familiar engineering. The LS1 is a great engine. My WS6 T/A is a great car - it freaking looks like a European exotic.
But I understand that GM needs a more mainstream 2+2 car, much like the 1st gen. Camaro that had a decent rear seat and fair size trunk. Porsche has done it with the new 911s in design (Porsche is not a mainstream car LOL) so I feel it should be a piece of cake for GM to do.
If they're saying that they don't care about the noise they're getting from us, maybe we should start buying shares in GM (after all, they aren't a bad investment) and start talking about removing those executives who are standing in the way of the next Camaro and Firebird. Chances are those same people are not good for GM anyway.
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done...
I'm very new here. So if I do something wrong or didn't do something right please let me know. I just finish submitting my part on the GM site. I also am passing the word on.
I'm happy to be here.....
I'm happy to be here.....
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well....
Alright people....
this is what I had gotten back from GM.....
Thank you for contacting the Chevrolet Customer Assistance Center. I appreciate you taking the time to write us in regards to the return of the Chevrolet Camaro.
I apologize but currently Chevrolet has not made any decisions that would suggest the return of the Chevrolet Camaro. On September 25, 2001 General Motors Corporation announced that 2002 would be the last model year for the Chevrolet Camaro. Due to the decrease in demand for the sport segments, this decision was unavoidable.
John Middlebrook, GM vice president and general manager vehicle brand marketing & corporate advertising said GM is celebrating both cars' significance as American Muscle Car icons in 2002. "The Chevrolet Camaro has truly become an integral part of American culture over the years. Chevrolet appreciates the strong emotions that our customers have for these cars and we're pleased to be celebrating them with a 35th Anniversary Edition Camaro special edition models."
Although the Camaro has always had focused appeal, Chevrolet will continue the tradition of providing performance vehicle with high value. Chevrolet has just introduced the SSR, as well as the sixth generation Corvette.
Again I am sorry that Chevrolet has not chosen to bring back the Camaro at this time, and I encourage you to check our website for up to date press releases on this matter. I have noted you dissatisfaction in service request 1-211300482.
If you should need to contact us in the future, simply reply to this message or call our Chevrolet Customer Assistance Center at 1-800-222-1020. Customer Relationship Managers are available Monday through Friday from 8:00 a.m. to 11:00 p.m., Eastern Time.
Again, thank you for contacting Chevrolet.
Sincerely,
Wendy A. Grassmann
Customer Relationship Manager
Chevrolet Customer Assistance Center
this is what I had gotten back from GM.....
Thank you for contacting the Chevrolet Customer Assistance Center. I appreciate you taking the time to write us in regards to the return of the Chevrolet Camaro.
I apologize but currently Chevrolet has not made any decisions that would suggest the return of the Chevrolet Camaro. On September 25, 2001 General Motors Corporation announced that 2002 would be the last model year for the Chevrolet Camaro. Due to the decrease in demand for the sport segments, this decision was unavoidable.
John Middlebrook, GM vice president and general manager vehicle brand marketing & corporate advertising said GM is celebrating both cars' significance as American Muscle Car icons in 2002. "The Chevrolet Camaro has truly become an integral part of American culture over the years. Chevrolet appreciates the strong emotions that our customers have for these cars and we're pleased to be celebrating them with a 35th Anniversary Edition Camaro special edition models."
Although the Camaro has always had focused appeal, Chevrolet will continue the tradition of providing performance vehicle with high value. Chevrolet has just introduced the SSR, as well as the sixth generation Corvette.
Again I am sorry that Chevrolet has not chosen to bring back the Camaro at this time, and I encourage you to check our website for up to date press releases on this matter. I have noted you dissatisfaction in service request 1-211300482.
If you should need to contact us in the future, simply reply to this message or call our Chevrolet Customer Assistance Center at 1-800-222-1020. Customer Relationship Managers are available Monday through Friday from 8:00 a.m. to 11:00 p.m., Eastern Time.
Again, thank you for contacting Chevrolet.
Sincerely,
Wendy A. Grassmann
Customer Relationship Manager
Chevrolet Customer Assistance Center
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Re: LOL
Originally posted by entrig00
Well said.....
Well said.....
Chances are it'll just get deleted with the spam. Send them a letter. You've already heard the GM rep here say he needs paper, not email. His address is posted in this forum.
D-day is coming. If we don't give him ammo for his next presentation we might lose it all - and be stuck with (gasp!) a Mustang
