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Should the new Camaro be smaller or larger than the "05 Mustang?

Old Aug 1, 2005 | 04:55 PM
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Re: Should the new Camaro be smaller or larger than the "05 Mustang?

Maybe some of the insiders can verify this, but I've heard rumors from other places that there are new roll over standards that are set to be enforced in 2007 or so?

What that most likely will mean is heavier cars.

Now, let's make a decision...lighter or same size (volume wise as per exterior dims) than Mustang? You might not be able to have both.
Old Aug 1, 2005 | 05:02 PM
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Re: Should the new Camaro be smaller or larger than the "05 Mustang?

Originally Posted by HAZ-Matt
It seems like some people are now arguing that Mustang is may not be physically big, but it is distorts gravity in such a way that the light bouncing off of it makes it appear huge.
It *IS* physically big, even if it's overall length is shorter. If you superimposed the Mustang on top of a 4th gen, the only part of the 4th gen you'd see would be the tip of its nose, the volume of the Mustang would devour the rest of it.

How much smaller than a Mustang can you make a Camaro and still have it be a Camaro and not a Silvia/240SX?
Actually, a Silvia/240SX with an LS2 (and appropriate styling) would be PERFECT as far as I'm concerned!

I have a '91 240SX, and it's a MUCH more enjoyable car to drive than any F-body I've driven. All it needs is some POWER (and to not look so damn plain).

If I could reasonably transplant my Z28's styling and powerplant onto/into my 240SX, I'd do it. That is pretty much what I want any "new Camaro" to be.
Old Aug 1, 2005 | 07:36 PM
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Re: Should the new Camaro be smaller or larger than the "05 Mustang?

how bout a third option, or the same size?
Old Aug 1, 2005 | 07:45 PM
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Re: Should the new Camaro be smaller or larger than the "05 Mustang?

Originally Posted by Dan Baldwin
It *IS* physically big, even if it's overall length is shorter. If you superimposed the Mustang on top of a 4th gen, the only part of the 4th gen you'd see would be the tip of its nose, the volume of the Mustang would devour the rest of it.



Actually, a Silvia/240SX with an LS2 (and appropriate styling) would be PERFECT as far as I'm concerned!

I have a '91 240SX, and it's a MUCH more enjoyable car to drive than any F-body I've driven. All it needs is some POWER (and to not look so damn plain).

If I could reasonably transplant my Z28's styling and powerplant onto/into my 240SX, I'd do it. That is pretty much what I want any "new Camaro" to be.

Ya might want to check out LS1Tech's conversions/hybrids section. Might surprise you. I've got a 91 Coupe, btw, and saving for an LS1 as we speak.
Old Aug 1, 2005 | 08:34 PM
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Re: Should the new Camaro be smaller or larger than the "05 Mustang?

Originally Posted by Dan Baldwin

I have a '91 240SX, and it's a MUCH more enjoyable car to drive than any F-body I've driven. All it needs is some POWER (and to not look so damn plain).

If I could reasonably transplant my Z28's styling and powerplant onto/into my 240SX, I'd do it. That is pretty much what I want any "new Camaro" to be.
We are exactly on the same wavelength!!!!!
Old Aug 2, 2005 | 09:03 AM
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Re: Should the new Camaro be smaller or larger than the "05 Mustang?

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For those of you wanting something the same size or slightly bigger than a 1st gen, why aren't you buying a GTO?
Because its not a CAMARO.
Old Aug 2, 2005 | 09:17 AM
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Re: Should the new Camaro be smaller or larger than the "05 Mustang?

Originally Posted by Dan Baldwin
I have a '91 240SX, and it's a MUCH more enjoyable car to drive than any F-body I've driven. All it needs is some POWER (and to not look so damn plain).

If I could reasonably transplant my Z28's styling and powerplant onto/into my 240SX, I'd do it. That is pretty much what I want any "new Camaro" to be.
Sorry Dan, but I absolutely disagree. My first new car was a 240SX. The main reason I bought it was because it was RWD, had decent styling and I couldn't afford the insurance on a new Z28. I choose it over the RX7 and a couple other 4 cylinder budget performance coupes. It was a great car and fun to drive, but DAMN WAS IT SMALL. After six years of faithful ownership, I traded it in for new Z28. The 240SX was a great car (its too bad Nissan ruined it when they went away from the fastback and pop-up headlamps), however it doesn't compare with any F-body I have ever owned or driven.

To be honest the most fun I've had driving a car in a long time is when I've driven my son's 96 Mustang GT (well it is supercharged). At first I felt the cockpit is too small. (I still do.) However the overall ponycar proportions are about right. If they could fit my 4th gen cockpit inside a SN95 sized coupe, that'd make a decent ponycar IMO. However, I don't want a 240SX sized Camaro. Too small. Too narrow. Too 1990's.

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Old Aug 2, 2005 | 09:21 AM
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Re: Should the new Camaro be smaller or larger than the "05 Mustang?

If people complain about an F-body's interior being too small, then they will have a fit if they were in an old 240sx sized interior. I'm too big for a car that small (6'4).
Old Aug 2, 2005 | 09:26 AM
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Re: Should the new Camaro be smaller or larger than the "05 Mustang?

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We are exactly on the same wavelength!!!!!
How big are you? Seriously, I'm only 5'-10" and I had a hard time getting comfortable in my 240SX. In fact after about 4 years the driver's seat actually broke on me because of how far back I had to tilt the seat to get comfortable. The SN95 Mustang is just as bad IMO.

I want a driving position like a 3rd or 4th gen F-body.
Old Aug 2, 2005 | 09:34 AM
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Re: Should the new Camaro be smaller or larger than the "05 Mustang?

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Because its not a CAMARO.
OK, but, to me, a Camaro the size and having similar dynamics of a GTO isn't a Camaro.
Old Aug 2, 2005 | 09:58 AM
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Re: Should the new Camaro be smaller or larger than the "05 Mustang?

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How big are you? Seriously, I'm only 5'-10" and I had a hard time getting comfortable in my 240SX. In fact after about 4 years the driver's seat actually broke on me because of how far back I had to tilt the seat to get comfortable. The SN95 Mustang is just as bad IMO.

I want a driving position like a 3rd or 4th gen F-body.
Looking for something like this jg?
http://www.germancarfans.com/news.cf...maybach/1.html


It has all that "sporty" {} weight, heft and mass some of you crave in a "sporty" car. I betcha even the visibility totally sux.......mmmmmmmmmmm. What could be better?

Looks fun to drive, huh?

Ok, sarcasm over. I've driven 240SX's and I agree with Dan. They're lots of fun to drive, you can actually have awareness of where your car is around you, and if a package that size had a V8...what an awesome Camaro it would be. And BTW, I fit just fine.

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Old Aug 2, 2005 | 11:25 AM
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Re: Should the new Camaro be smaller or larger than the "05 Mustang?

Well we might as well rebadge this as a Camaro:

Camaro Platform Mate

Camaro should not be the size of a 240SX. It should have "presence," which you can't have with a pocket rocket.
Old Aug 2, 2005 | 11:44 AM
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Re: Should the new Camaro be smaller or larger than the "05 Mustang?

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Well we might as well rebadge this as a Camaro:

Camaro Platform Mate

Camaro should not be the size of a 240SX. It should have "presence," which you can't have with a pocket rocket.
What exactly is the criterion for a car to have "presence".

Because, I get the impression that you feel that a car like this has no "presence".

http://www.fantasycars.com/Ferrari_5...0_photo_2.html
Old Aug 2, 2005 | 12:52 PM
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Re: Should the new Camaro be smaller or larger than the "05 Mustang?

BTW, the 550 Maranello is a mere one inch longer than the 240SX.

Do they both NOT have "presence", or does one have it and one doesn't have it? And if one these cars does have "presence" - what is the size criterion for this "presence"?

Someone please explain.
Old Aug 2, 2005 | 12:55 PM
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Re: Should the new Camaro be smaller or larger than the "05 Mustang?

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BTW, the 550 Maranello is a mere one inch longer than the 240SX.

Do they both NOT have "presence", or does one have it and one doesn't have it? And if one these cars does have "presence" - what is the size criterion for this "presence"?

Someone please explain.
I think we can both agree that the 550 and the 240SX look nothing alike and don't have a similar presense, correct? I think a car being wide and low creates the "presense" but a lot of it also has to do with the actual car design itself.

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