Where on earth do you get your info??

Whenever SVT produces a new vehicle, there is at least a 1 year gap in production. That horsepower descrepency was the result of outsourced components that was taken care of for free by SVT on the 1999 Cobras.

The coupes had a price of $27,995 and the 'verts ran $31,995

Roughly the same price as the SS.


More guys bought Mustang GTs alone than bought all 4th gen Camaro models combined.... or all Z28, SS, Trans Am, Formula, and WS6 models combined in the F-bods final 5 years.

1. How old are you?!

2. You are talking used cars.

Actually, Corvette was the top dog in Chevy showrooms.

Cars like the Trans Am, Grand National and then GNX, and even the Typhoon & Cyclone had higher numbers than the Vette. That's just the short list.

 

I just needed to make a comment on this.....First off, there is VERY little chance of a 2007 launch date, theres lots of wishing that will be the date, but it looks more like 2008 at the earliest. Secondly, the 4th Gen Camaro was not the best Camaro ever, if anything, it was one of the worst. It was HUGE, but with SUBCOMPACT interior space. Your butt is mere inches from the ground, and there is MILES of dash between you and the base of the windshield. It is a great ENTHUSIASTS car, but not a great General Public car. The General Public buys 98% of these cars, not us enthusiasts. If YOU want a Camaro that is around for quite a while, a few compromises are going to need to be made. Another 4th Gen would be a death spell for the Camaro.

 

Guy, the median age of the Mustang buyer may be high 30s/low 40s, but I really don't think that accurately reflects the people who actually drive the Mustang. Around here at least, there are too many young people in Mustangs for me to fully believe that statistic. Just last Thursday I passed two young girls in a convertible Mustang v6, and that is not a rarity, at least not in these parts. Due to the fact that alot of parents tend to buy their kids these cars, I think the facts are alittle skewed. Another example, a few years back one of my sister's exboyfriends parent's had bought him a brand new 01 trans am, and his sister got a brand new 01 mustang GT. I always have trouble swallowing those facts as gospel.

 

Could be, but again i only beleive what i see in person. Ive seen people tell me there stock 1996 Z28's run 13.3's stock, could be the truth but i wont beleive until i physically see it.

And the best ive seen is 14 stock. Nothing is going to change that. This is with about 20+ examples.

 

I'm basing my opinions not only on base models, but as well as performer models. Still nothing is treading in the vipers territory. So i dont see your point here.

Try a handful, maybe 10 occasions. They have had Similar HP read out, you said it best "They where within 10 horses of Corvettes" 10HP isnt matching HP. No matter how you cut it.

Agreed, but advertised numbers do sell cars.



I understand this, but obviously the GT-40 is a limited production, built to order car, leaving the High end Stand to be the advertisers Flag ship. The Z06 is techincally Chevys true super car, Yet the base corvette gets the press.



Your missing the point, the impala was turned into something GM die hards 20 years ago would have never thought possible, point being is. GM could do the same with the camaro.



Depends on how your veiwing it, I care about performance as do a great deal of those i interact with. In that veiw the Mustang was sub-par to say the least.

this quote comes to mind, "Chevy trucks! Longiest lasting most reliable trucks on the raod!" 100% true from my experiance, and yet the F-150 outsells them. Go figure.

Most of these Pony cars, are bought by parents for there Kids, this is 100% true. this is why you see all these younger people driving them. Those statistics are based on purchasers, not who they where intended for or who drives them. Moot point.

Read above, and take the info from someone who has been living through this Era of cars as a Teenager and Young adult, its 100% true.

Again, above.



Apples to oranges, now your nit picking. Either way Neither 15 seconds or 14 seconds isnt Mid 13's.

 

My sources are told throughout my posts.

Could be so, but its mighty conveinant the 02' snake was M.I.A that year. I completely belive the people | sources ive heard. I'm from the motor city and a great deal of the people i accosiate with work for the big three, usually the info i get over a few beers is slightly more credible then the ramblings i gather from media outlets and the internet.


Ive mentioned why, you choose to argue it. 9/10 Mustangs i see are drove by 22-25 year olds, im sure a Great deal of them are in there parents names for insurance purposes and Finance purpose's alike.



26 in december.

In 1 or 2 comparisons i did, sure. Only because to have an Accurate comparison on current model Mustang Vs Camaro there would need to be an 05 Camaro, something we lack.

So ive been using 2002 Model year as the only True example i can use. Its not by choice, its by force.
Actually, Corvette was the top dog in Chevy showrooms.

Remind me again, which of those cars whernt limited time production? And also which ones still are being pumped out like the Vette'? yea...

 

I would say atleast 35%-40% of those cars are bought by the "30-40 crowd" for there children due to Financial reasons, Insurance reasons and other Misc "Present" situations.

To argue that fact is completely neurotic.

 

They need to be replaced more often, so all those die hard Ford Guys, replace their trucks more often hence more sales

 

I see this as a Moot Point.

You can't "ASSUME" that the Parents are buying these cars for their kids without any DATA to support that. The fact remains the 30-40 year olds are buying these cars PERIOD.

Yes there are going to be outside factors, but x Parent is probably not going to buy a car for their kid that they don't like. Also, x Parent may not drive these cars as much or they sit in Garages whereas kids are out crusing around all the time. All of these things influence your thinking of "I see them with kids more in my area so mostly kids buy them...".

But the FACT remains, Statistics don't lie. They can be skewed to reflect different ideas. But in this situation - the Truth remains that the majority of Car Buyers are "middle age" - this is not just fact, but mere common sense...

Also, Little Johnny loves to borrow his DADS car on the weekends too...

 

Your sources are absolutely wrong on this point. With all the relevant things I have read written by the guys who actually worked on the Terminator itself, I don't understand how someone can even bring this up. 2000 was the only model year production was stopped due to recall. There was almost an 02 cobra, but production would have been so short on the car for that model year they just ran a very early 03. The 03 snakes were hitting the street well before almost every other 03 model out there. I remember this very well, as it didn't take long for me to get a ride in one. If Ford really wanted an 02 just to fill the void, they could have just done an 01 carryover. For whats its worth, I think that some interation of the Cobra actually did sell in 02 in Australia, although someone will have to chime with more detailed info on that if I am recalling correctly.
I have seen multiple times with my own eyes the 05 GTs trap well above an LT1, and I know with the times they are getting, if alot of the guys had cut a better 60' they would have been pretty solid in the 13s. Not everyone is a pro driver, and I still don't see that many GTs at the track to try and come to a conclusion that no GT can get out of the 14s stock. I have watched the 99-04s run 14 flats, so I really doubt the new GTs can do no better. I just think you don't like the Mustangs, period.

 

I was the one that brought initially alittle earlier, but there is no I would say most. I do see alot of older people driving these cars too. You see alot of younger people driving these cars because they buy them used, and these cars depreciate really quickly. Without real statistical evidence, I would restrain from boasting about anything being 100% true.

 

They are bad drivers. Case in point: the video that everyone pointed to in the beginning to try and state that the GT was a slow car had a bad driver, the same driver learned how to drive the car and eventually ran 13.3's stock with it. He had been running mid 14's.

 

They are not good competition for any new 05 GT in stock form, not even close with equal drivers.

 

I admit he (my friend) was probably exagerating with that statement.

BUT, I would bet a L98 would beat a 05' GT Stoplight to Stoplight. The top end on the Mustang would propel it to a win in the 1/4mi though.

 

Where are you getting your info? The 2001 put out all of it's advertised horsepower, and there was no '02 model because the '03 Terminator was being readied for production. Also, the '01 was just a hair behind the LS-1 in terms of performance, many were running in the 13.3 range with traps of 105-106.

You should, the '03 Cobra was on the showroom floor at the exact same time that the last of the F-bodies was being sold, it was an early release.