Camaro SS had 5 more HP, which im sure was just as a ploy for launch. Also the big deal that year was the LT4 Corvette, which GM was trying to shove on the public. Just clever marketing, nothing more.

Firehawk was under a different Brand name, also wasnt out of factory numbers. thats After SLP tweaked it, and still so it was by 10HP which im sure the vette woulda discredited on a dyno. Again, marketing.



I think he was aiming more the the GM die hards, who are focusing on HP.

 

If the GT500 comes at 450hp I highley doubt we will see a competitor from the factory.

Hence the "detuned" ls2 w/395hp.

I'll give you the 96 SS with 305hp but keep in mind the LT4 (330hp/340tq) was put behind all y body six speeds that year.

 

On paper no, but in the real world....go check out some dynos of stock F bodies vs stock LS1 C5's. Fbods have had Corvette power since 1998.

That's your opinion, but I'm gonna have to assume that the 230,000 or so people who bought C5's, that had more or less the same hp as LS1 Fbods, would not share that opinion.

Just because Chevrolet doesn't have a car currently that can handle LS2 power doesn't mean that will always be the case. GM is seemingly putting Corvette sized power in ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING that can handle it. Do you truly believe that when a new Camaro comes out, that Chevrolet would limit it to 350hp, giving away 100 hp to the Shelby?

 

I can see that you're set in your opinions, so I'm gonna leave this one alone after this post. But your whole argument stems from a belief that Chevrolet will not allow a competing car of the Corvette to match it's power, and that is just not the case. Hp for Hp the Vette should always win out due to weight, handling, and aerodynamic advantages, not taking into account driver variables.

Not sure why you're hating on the SS and Firehawks, as they were RPO's for the Camaro and Firebird, not aftermarket tuner cars, but whatever.

Hope to see you at NAIAS '06! You may find some interesting CARS there.

 

Exactly.

 

Ive been at many dyno runs where year for year the vette has pulled a 10-25RWHP off of an equal F-body. More so the 1993-1996's, but even on the occasion of a LS1 Fbod Vs Ybod, in some cases i seen a 25-35 difference in RWHP on the dyno runs.


Alot of those people bought just for the fact of having a corvette, but there a good sum of people (alot of which ive encountered) who think just because its a vette' it was going to whoop on my F-body. This is the message GM push's through, the Corvette is unarguably Chevys flagship and as such is portrayed as the best Chevy has to offer. Most Vette' Hardcores, refuse to mention Camaros and Vette's in the same sentence.

If it where advertised "Camaro this year has a Industry leading 450HP! as does its elder sibling the Corvette!", some potential Y-bod purchasers would consider the Camaro over the Y-bod, it is an opinion but one that could be proven easily.

Yes completely. The Z06 was left to deal with the Saleens and 2001 R, was it not? These things took place just a couple years ago. Should be freshier in your mind then they appear to be.

 

I'm not hating on the SS and Firehawk, but as i said before that was a 1 year deal for the SS (besides the 35th Anniversery SS), in 1997 the margine was increased a good deal, and stayed that way until final production of the SS.

Firehawk is under a different brand name, so chevy doesnt have as much sway as they would over the Camaro SS. So 10HP over the Vette is a very realistic estimate for Top brand bird.

and i hope to see you as well at nias , bring some water as im hoping to feint when i make it to the chevy booth! (for good reason's )

 

my point to the word.

 

FutureZMan, much of your information on this page is skewed. First off, and 01 cobra did not cost $34k, they cost $28k, and it isn't worth mentioning base because they only came loaded. I don't think you are including the Mach 1 and Cobra for the simple fact that stock for stock, a Mach1 is almost as fast as an LS1 F-Body, and an 03 cobra is down right much faster. I know they came out a model year later, but they also came out as early releases for that model year(especially the cobras.)

Second of all, it has been brought up that the 96 SS did have a higher HP rating than the base vette (which I totally forgot), so there is a precedent of it happening, and it is worth noting.

Third of all, about the f-body dynoing less than the vette, you need to get up to date with the ls1 powered f-bodies. The LT1s I can't account for, but LS1 powered f-bodies dyno the same as vettes, sometimes even more due to the solid live axle having less parasitic drain on drivetrain HP. 310 crank HP z28s don't turn 12s stock, yet somehow it happens. Ever work on a Camaro LS1? It is strangely identically to a Corvette LS1, with very few exceptions. No real differences between the SS and z28s either, except for hood/spoiler and wheels.

Lastly, the z06 was designed by GM to be the top dog Corvette, not to run with Saleen Mustangs. The Cobra R came out the same year, and had its thunder stolen by the z06, but something tells me the z06 would have been built anyways, considering 1 in 4 vettes was a z06, and they only made 300 Cobra Rs. It is apparent by those numbers the z06 was designed to be built for volume, not some barely street legal race car.By the way, there was no 01 Cobra R, they were 00 models.

The GT500 would be more in line as a new Mustang Cobra (and I think it should still be called that), so why not at least consider a Camaro competitor for it.

 

Since this thread is mainly speculation, here's some more in regards to 2008 Corvette/ZO6 HP.

 

best I've seen at the tack is a 14.3 and I've seen probably a dozen or so go at it all day

 

Did you even read my post that you quoted from? 1998+...stock LS1 for stock LS1? Obviously not since you're still quoting LT1 numbers.


Correct. SOME people (several hundred thousand actually) want a Corvette for more than just a hp number, and are willing to pay for it, regardless of how close Camaro is in HP, sorry. Just because alot of them are ignorant of Fbody performance, that's their problem if they thought they were going to get a car that would "whoop on my F-body".

So what is the solution? GM puts the 450hp motor in said Camaro and claims 405hp. My stock Formula dyno'd more at the wheels than what the brochures said it had at the crank. As you said earlier, Marketing, nothing more.

Honestly, for someone who didn't know you couldn't get an L98 with a stick, you sure are set in your beliefs about the way things are in Camaroland.

 

I'm debating whats put down on paper, not the dyno. I know there has been stock fbodies that have dynoed higher the stock corvettes. Its the same engine.


The limit is going to be what's in the base corvette. If corvette still has 400hp, we're not going to see a 450hp camaro.


Lets get more to the point. We want the halo camaro to be better than the halo mustang so we can claim our e-penises are bigger. So let us hope that corvette has 450hp by 2008+ or that the v8 used is way more underated than the LS1 was.

 

Hmmm. That is interesting. I wouldn't have paid much attention to it, except that these guys seem to say that the source is very reliable.

 

Ive literally seen 2 dozen run in the 14's on "Pony Car Days" at the local track this summer.

I seen one hit 13.3, i asked him what he had done if at all, he responded gears , exhaust , and a 50shot i beleive.

and a few of the guys that where running them, where camaro owners i know locally and they run them cars damn well, so i wont be blaming it on driver-error.