Originally Posted by NewbieWar

best I've seen at the tack is a 14.3 and I've seen probably a dozen or so go at it all day

Originally Posted by FutureZMan

Ive literally seen 2 dozen run in the 14's on "Pony Car Days" at the local track this summer.

I seen one hit 13.3, i asked him what he had done if at all, he responded gears , exhaust , and a 50shot i beleive.

and a few of the guys that where running them, where camaro owners i know locally and they run them cars damn well, so i wont be blaming it on driver-error.

Originally Posted by Chrome383Z

I see this as a Moot Point.

You can't "ASSUME" that the Parents are buying these cars for their kids without any DATA to support that. The fact remains the 30-40 year olds are buying these cars PERIOD.

Yes there are going to be outside factors, but x Parent is probably not going to buy a car for their kid that they don't like. Also, x Parent may not drive these cars as much or they sit in Garages whereas kids are out crusing around all the time. All of these things influence your thinking of "I see them with kids more in my area so mostly kids buy them...".

But the FACT remains, Statistics don't lie. They can be skewed to reflect different ideas. But in this situation - the Truth remains that the majority of Car Buyers are "middle age" - this is not just fact, but mere common sense...

Also, Little Johnny loves to borrow his DADS car on the weekends too...

Originally Posted by FutureZMan

the 2003 Cobra was a supercharged version of the Non-release of the 2002 Cobra (not released because it couldnt make its advertised HP might i add..) and cost about 36,000 off the lot.

Originally Posted by RussStang

Your sources are absolutely wrong on this point. With all the relevant things I have read written by the guys who actually worked on the Terminator itself, I don't understand how someone can even bring this up. 2000 was the only model year production was stopped due to recall. There was almost an 02 cobra, but production would have been so short on the car for that model year they just ran a very early 03. The 03 snakes were hitting the street well before almost every other 03 model out there. I remember this very well, as it didn't take long for me to get a ride in one. If Ford really wanted an 02 just to fill the void, they could have just done an 01 carryover. For whats its worth, I think that some interation of the Cobra actually did sell in 02 in Australia, although someone will have to chime with more detailed info on that if I am recalling correctly.
I have seen multiple times with my own eyes the 05 GTs trap well above an LT1, and I know with the times they are getting, if alot of the guys had cut a better 60' they would have been pretty solid in the 13s. Not everyone is a pro driver, and I still don't see that many GTs at the track to try and come to a conclusion that no GT can get out of the 14s stock. I have watched the 99-04s run 14 flats, so I really doubt the new GTs can do no better. I just think you don't like the Mustangs, period.

Originally Posted by RussStang

. I just think you don't like the Mustangs, period.

Originally Posted by Chrome383Z

I admit he (my friend) was probably exagerating with that statement.

BUT, I would bet a L98 would beat a 05' GT Stoplight to Stoplight. The top end on the Mustang would propel it to a win in the 1/4mi though.

Originally Posted by scott9050

Where are you getting your info? The 2001 put out all of it's advertised horsepower, and there was no '02 model because the '03 Terminator was being readied for production. Also, the '01 was just a hair behind the LS-1 in terms of performance, many were running in the 13.3 range with traps of 105-106.

Originally Posted by scott9050

You should, the '03 Cobra was on the showroom floor at the exact same time that the last of the F-bodies was being sold, it was an early release.

Originally Posted by scott9050

And this is the crux of the entire thread. He claims not to be biased, but the evidence points out otherwise. I love how a newbie is telling someone who is a respected insider like guionM how wrong he thinks he is. This thread is more lounge material than anything at this point.

Originally Posted by scott9050

What track, what elevation, what DA numbers? So Camaro owners can magically drive better than Mustang drivers? Getting numbers out of a 3 valve modular with drive by wire is not the same as driving an F-body. There are already cars with just the 93 octane tune (stock is 87) and the electronic castration removed running 12's. This has been a hot summer, cars run much better in the fall, one of our club members in his Nova is running .6 and 4 mph slower this summer than he did last fall because of the heat.

Originally Posted by Flip94ta

I really dont feel like reading this whole thread, just wanted to chime in saying my friend ran about a 12.8 in is stock SS. It was at Bowling green at night in good conditions. I can't remember all the details, but he was faster than or 03 cobra I saw a few months later at union hill. The cobra had nasty wheel hop and I thought the trunk was gonna fall off. So what are the stangs picking up with a 93 tune, where are they getting the tune. I think the mustang performs pretty well for 25K.

Originally Posted by FutureZMan

they way i was told the story was 01' was pulled for numbers, so SVT started the Term was slated. Thus leaving the 02' out of production for a mix of Term production and Lack of numbers in 01'.

No clue, never seen a 01' run. Seen a 00' run 13.6 Vs SS's 13.3.

Originally Posted by scott9050

The only '00 Cobra was the R model.