It becomes more evident everyday reading this board that there will be those that are happy with the new car, and those that hate it because its not "their vision" of what it should be.

However, I am confident that I will like the car as I am pretty flexible. I know the car will be larger than a Cobalt, but smaller than the GTO. Anywhere in there is fine with me. Im actually fine with the car being miata sized. Give me an LS2 powered 2700lb 2 seater and you wont hear a complaint out of me. If it seats four comfortably, awesome. The car will have power, it will handle, it will look good. If not, Ill buy something else.

 

I dont see any problems with a wide short car, with lots of back seat room. The cramped interior is one of the 4th gens problems. Also if its shorter and wider (like the 05 vette) it will handle a whole lot better (like the 05 vette).

 

You're right. For some reason I thought I saw the Mustang's length listed as 189.6 but it is 187. Either way, it isn't exactly a small car but I feel pony cars like Mustang and Camaro should have "presence" on the road, thus my 185-190" requirement. You won't get any argument from me about the '05's lack of overall sporty looks. I still say it looks more frumpy than racy with throwback cues that just make it looked tired. But I digress...is this impression in our heads the result of simply its length or is it the styling itself that leads us to our conclusion?

 

Although I won't mind if it goes over/under 190" a little bit, I agree 99.99% Everything I was trying to say is right there in your post. THANK YOU!

 

I wonder?

Don't get me wrong...I like the new Mustang. It's not perfect, but I like it.

It's added length over the SN95, however...to me...is a retrograde move, it's a take away, it diminishes it's sportiness. I think the car would have looked cooler if they could have kept the overall length about the same as the old car.

BTW, the '05 Mustang's rear overhangs (which I feel, look alittle long) look about the same as the Lincoln LS. I wonder if their rear structure is the same?

 

OK, how about this?

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to me the proportions in my "chop" look right.

 

Considering that D2C chassis has it's basic roots from the S197 (I think it's S197), then pretty much. There are some major differences, but the overall chassis dimensions are the same.

 

wow, platform namins all twisted
d2c and sn197 i BELIEVE are essentially the same right now, being that sn is the only version, Think of D2C as the new DEW, since DEW underpins the T bird, The LS, and the Jag. I also believe D2c was based off of dew but made more ford motor friendly, and less expensive, if that explained ANYTHING at all

 

Didn't I say that

 

I think that you meant to say that D2C has it's roots in DEW98.

 

Heh, either way, it's new!

BTW, I disagree that the new length diminishes the Mustang's sportiness. Just one look at this thing in person and seeing the numbers of its dimensions tells me this car will perform MUCH better than previous versions of Mustang.

 

Dude, we are talking about a honking 75" wide car here. That's wide enough for 2 separate zip codes! Heck, a Chevy Silverado is just barely a few inches wider.

Also, wider doesn't equal better handling. Miatas are great handling cars. Vipers are alot wider than Z06s, yet Z06s handle better. Ever get behind the wheel of a BMW M3 (less than 70" wide)?

You ARE aware that the current GTO is actually SMALLER than the Camaro on the outside in every dimension but height, aren't you? A GTO sized Camaro (assuming the exterior dimensions don't change) would still result in a Mustang sized Camaro.

I see a consensus developing here.

 

What does any of that have to do with Velite? Are you saying the Velite is a poor handling car?

The consensus is always the same "If the fourth gen did this instead of this we would have had a perfect 4th gen blah blah blah" It doesn't matter! We're starting brand new with a fresh new chassis. Any malfunctions the 4th gen had are out the window by now. Wide B-pillars, cheesey plastics, fuel tanks, short wheelsbase, it doesn't matter anymore.

 

i thought the whole point of the argument was that if it's near perfect then it's not a Camaro by definition? :P

i'm sure GM won't let us down by releasing a near perfect Camaro. instead it'll fill it with new quarks and "charms" and we will love to hate those too. the long wheelbase and the big gurth seem to be the forerunners already and the car's not even confirmed yet. fun.

 

Adressing Morginie's notion that a car has to be wide to handle, which it doesn't.

It would be ridiculous of me to say the Velite is poor handling since it's a concept car. But I can say that a car 75" wide doesn't have any advantage over a car that's thinner than a car lane.