Third Gens ranged from 187" at the begining through 192" by 92. By then, I felt they might be getting too big and that any increase would be too much. The 91-92's redesigned and longer/bigger GFX were a little much IMO, (although I still like them, not that big of a deal, not my favorites though) so the size increase in length, width, height, and weight in the 4th Gen did not really go over nicely with me. Besides that, the rounded 4ths which lack real lines appear quite bigger than the sharply designed 3rds. Regardless, I think 4ths and some 2nds were too big and 3rds and 1sts were good overall. Any size reduction or increase over these dimesions is extreme IMO. I don't want a current M*stang sized Camaro either.

 

2004 GTO
Wheel Base: 109.8 in.
Length: 189.8 in.
Width: 72.5 in.
Height: 54.9 in.

2005 Corvette
Wheel Base: 105.7 in.
Length: 174.6 in.
Width: 72.6 in.
Height: 49 in.

I would not mind the length of the car shrinking as I feel there is about ten inches of plastic hanging off the front of my Firebird that really doesn't need to be there. A length of 185in would probably be all the length you need to fit the motor, four seats, and a decent amount of cargo space into the vehicle.

With regards to presence, I don't think the overall length of the car is all that important compared to how wide the car is.

 

I read that story too...and found it interesting. I'll let Mustang slide on the $300 savings = no IRS.....because it's Mustang....and maybe I'm not so picky about it.

But, if that were a similar article on the 5th gen Camaro...and some people from GM said that they took away IRS to save 300 bucks........


I would make it my personal life mission to publicly ridicule every last one of those scoundrels, with every last fiber of my being.

 

I'm not entirely convinced every Camaro from V6 to Z28 or SS or whatever will have IRS. Does GM even have an IRS that fits on whatever chassis they're going to use for Camaro that even supports 400 hp? While I think GM is very capable of delivering a good IRS, I think we'll have to wait and see what they do on their "budget" sports coupe.

 

The CTS-V has 400 HP and it is basically the same IRS that Zeta will carry but it will use more steel and less aluminum for cost savings. Not only does it handle the power but it is one of the best road going IRS's available.

 

You seem to be forgetting Holden/HSV are currently running 400hp through their current IRS. Running more through it isn't a problem as the next revision from HSV may show. I HIGHLY doubt they will go backwards . Also I would expect only 1 IRS, as variations = $$$, so most parts from one Zeta car should be compatable with another.

 

Funny you should say that.

 

I am entirely convinced.

 

Steel is a bit heavier and CTS-V is a costly car. How much does the IRS on this vehicle cost??? Even steal will cost money. I think a very expensive CTS-V can cover this cost, but can 100,000 Camaros a year cover the cost of such an IRS system? Can they afford the weight increase of steal instead of aluminum? I have a wait and see attitude on this, I'm still not convinced.

 

Backwards from what? Camaro never came with IRS so it can't go backwards Time will tell. They may have something developed for Camaro by 2008, but will it be cheap enough or light enough to use?

 

There are NO plans for a live rear axle Camaro.

 

Mice and men...I hope you're right.

 

But there are at least 2 separate types of rear suspensions for Zeta.

 

I've heard that.

But whatever plans that are or were for the other...aren't for Camaro.

 

You are thinking about Camaro NOT Zeta! There will not be only 100,000 cars with this IRS, there will be ~500,000 cars with this IRS world wide! Zeta goes much wider than Camaro, keep that in mind.


Backwards from the current Holden suspension.

They will have an IRS developed for Camaro........... wait for it................. the Zeta IRS! BTW, cheap and light are 2 words that don't often go together in the automotive industry. It is either cheap and heavy, or expensive and light. If you find something that is cheap and light and can be used in the automotive industry i'm sure the manufacturers would love to know about it


I am willing to bet the other rear suspension will be a solid rear axle with leaf springs that is currently used in the Holden One Tonner and Crewman. There is NO WAY Holden will give up that market to Ford again. Or are you talking about something different?