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Old Aug 18, 2004 | 08:20 PM
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Re: Not too sure about the Velite as the basis for the 5th gen.

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What is the flying velocity of a sparrow?


EDIT: Sorry about that Monty Python flashback.

An African or European swollow (not sparrow).
Old Aug 18, 2004 | 08:21 PM
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An African or European swollow (not sparrow).

I.........I, don't know. AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Old Aug 19, 2004 | 01:03 AM
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Re: Not too sure about the Velite as the basis for the 5th gen.

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G35 is way to small IMO. The new GTO is about the size and feel that I want in my 5th gen. Ride hight is fine, suspension is good, road feel is great.
Actually, compared to the current GTO....I'd like to see the next Camaro smaller and the next GTO, slightly larger.

Camaro = Ponycar
GTO = Intermediate
Old Aug 19, 2004 | 09:22 AM
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Re: Not too sure about the Velite as the basis for the 5th gen.

Originally Posted by Z284ever
Actually, compared to the current GTO....I'd like to see the next Camaro smaller and the next GTO, slightly larger.

Camaro = Ponycar
GTO = Intermediate
I agree. The Camaro should be smaller than the GTO. And the G35 shows an attractive coupe can be made on longer wheelbase.
Old Aug 19, 2004 | 09:59 AM
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Re: Not too sure about the Velite as the basis for the 5th gen.

Originally posted by Z284ever

Actually, compared to the current GTO....I'd like to see the next Camaro smaller and the next GTO, slightly larger.

Camaro = Ponycar
GTO = Intermediate
Agreed. This would be more historically appropriate since pony cars should be more intimate that intermediates. Not to mention somewhat more nimble, quicker and better handling cars and affordable in general than their larger brethren.

Unless, of course GM is planning to step Camaro out of the pony car mold and blur the lines of what constitutes a pony car or an intermediate, in the traditional sense. Offering instead a group of well-rounded like-sized performance coupes that don't necessarily make any concessions to one stereotype or the other.
Old Aug 19, 2004 | 10:28 AM
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Re: Not too sure about the Velite as the basis for the 5th gen.

Originally Posted by Z284ever
Actually, compared to the current GTO....I'd like to see the next Camaro smaller and the next GTO, slightly larger.

Camaro = Ponycar
GTO = Intermediate
Smaller? Maybe have a lower roofline, but as the current GTO has basically the same dimensions as the Mustang, how can it not be considered a Ponycar?

We need to unlearn the fact that the GTO was once an intermediate. The next Camaro could easily have the same proportions as the GTO, yet be sportier with a lower roofline and (hopefully) be a little trimmer as well.
Old Aug 19, 2004 | 10:49 AM
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Re: Not too sure about the Velite as the basis for the 5th gen.

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Smaller? Maybe have a lower roofline, but as the current GTO has basically the same dimensions as the Mustang, how can it not be considered a Ponycar?

We need to unlearn the fact that the GTO was once an intermediate. The next Camaro could easily have the same proportions as the GTO, yet be sportier with a lower roofline and (hopefully) be a little trimmer as well.
Exactomundo. Lower roofline with same or maybe even slightly bigger dimensions seems appropriate to me. G35 = TOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooo small IMHO.
Old Aug 19, 2004 | 10:55 AM
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Re: Not too sure about the Velite as the basis for the 5th gen.

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Smaller? Maybe have a lower roofline, but as the current GTO has basically the same dimensions as the Mustang, how can it not be considered a Ponycar?
Yup, smaller. The GTO is larger than the SN95 Mustang, which is similar in size to the G35 Coupe.

Every time I see an SN95 or G35 Coupe...their dimensions just seem so right for the next Camaro.

I just don't understand why anyone would want a large Camaro.
Old Aug 19, 2004 | 10:57 AM
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I just don't understand why anyone would want a large Camaro.
Because a camaro is not a Miata. Then again, it's not a mini van either..................
Old Aug 19, 2004 | 10:58 AM
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Re: Not too sure about the Velite as the basis for the 5th gen.

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Yup, smaller. The GTO is larger than the SN95 Mustang, which is similar in size to the G35 Coupe.

Every time I see an SN95 or G35 Coupe...their dimensions just seem so right for the next Camaro.

I just don't understand why anyone would want a large Camaro.
I do!

I own both a SN95 Mustang and a 4th gen Camaro. The SN95 Mustang is TOO small IMO. Even my wife doesn't consider the cars to be in the same class. (She calls the Mustang a compact.) I can not for the life of me get comfortable in the Mustang. Sure its fun to drive... but I now know what a sardine feels like.

The 4th gen Camaro cab size was perfect IMO... at least compared to a SN95 Mustang.
Old Aug 19, 2004 | 11:29 AM
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Re: Not too sure about the Velite as the basis for the 5th gen.

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I do!

I own both a SN95 Mustang and a 4th gen Camaro. The SN95 Mustang is TOO small IMO. Even my wife doesn't consider the cars to be in the same class. (She calls the Mustang a compact.) I can not for the life of me get comfortable in the Mustang. Sure its fun to drive... but I now know what a sardine feels like.

The 4th gen Camaro cab size was perfect IMO... at least compared to a SN95 Mustang.

I was really talking about exterior dimensions.

If the next Camaro has as much...or more interior room as the 4th gen..but wrapped in a tidy exterior package, the size of G35 or SN95......what's wrong with that?
Old Aug 19, 2004 | 11:30 AM
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Because a camaro is not a Miata. Then again, it's not a mini van either..................
We're not talking ANYWHERE NEAR MIATA SIZED.
Old Aug 19, 2004 | 11:38 AM
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Re: Not too sure about the Velite as the basis for the 5th gen.

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I was really talking about exterior dimensions.

If the next Camaro has as much...or more interior room as the 4th gen..but wrapped in a tidy exterior package, the size of G35 or SN95......what's wrong with that?
Because the G35 is damn near a sport compact car. Who wants a sport compact Camaro? Not me, for one.
Old Aug 19, 2004 | 12:07 PM
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Gotta disagree with those of you who want a big Camaro.

I don't feel Camaro should take up the same amount of real estate as a Chrysler 300M, unless we want the car to fail miserably a 2nd time. Big Performance cars with small back seats simply aren't going to sell. Yet well styled modest ones do.

Let's be brutally honest about this. The bulk of this website is made of 4th gen owners. The 4th gen Camaro is the most oversized Camaro ever. The biggest Camaros were in the 70s when cars reached their largest sizes. Camaros were running around 195" back then, yet 4th gens are only 2" shorter in an age where car's lengths have decreased by 20" or more.

The coupe market is stagnant at the moment. Mustang alone outsells all other coupes sold in the US.... not only combined either. Mustang dominates well over 50% of the sports coupe market. Take out Monte Carlo, and it starts approaching the 70% range.

If we get another "BIG" Camaro (a big car with a small back seat), we can start writing the 5th gen's obituary now.
Old Aug 19, 2004 | 12:15 PM
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Re: Not too sure about the Velite as the basis for the 5th gen.

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Gotta disagree with those of you who want a big Camaro.

I don't feel Camaro should take up the same amount of real estate as a Chrysler 300M, unless we want the car to fail miserably a 2nd time. Big Performance cars with small back seats simply aren't going to sell. Yet well styled modest ones do.

Let's be brutally honest about this. The bulk of this website is made of 4th gen owners. The 4th gen Camaro is the most oversized Camaro ever. The biggest Camaros were in the 70s when cars reached their largest sizes. Camaros were running around 195" back then, yet 4th gens are only 2" shorter in an age where car's lengths have decreased by 20" or more.

The coupe market is stagnant at the moment. Mustang alone outsells all other coupes sold in the US.... not only combined either. Mustang dominates well over 50% of the sports coupe market. Take out Monte Carlo, and it starts approaching the 70% range.

If we get another "BIG" Camaro (a big car with a small back seat), we can start writing the 5th gen's obituary now.
No argument there. The 4th gens are boats. However what I'm talking about is simply a GTO/Monaro chassis with a sportier body and a lower roofline. If they could stuff a 4th gen Camaro-sized interior into a SN95 Mustang sized exterior, that would be fine as well.



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