In my experience, GM publishes body width without side mirrors.

 

PacerX,

How many inches in overall length could be reduced if it had a "Camaro" back seat versus a "Buick" back seat?

 

wait, you guys are complaining now because the car is too modern? it looks "too big"??? why don't you guys do this to re-adjust your reference point: take a step back and look at a 4th gen Camaro. now THAT car is too big. especially in the front end. it's 2x as big as it should be. here's a fair comparison between size and wheel base for the two cars: Velite - F1 car, 4th gen - clown on a kid's tricycle.

here's how I envision a modern Camaro: front end similar to BMW 3 series in preportion (wheels almost flush with the tip of the front end), rear wheels more inward to offset the heavy front end so they carry more car in the back therfore allowing for a slight rear weight bias.

and BTW, the reason the car got absolutly slammed in the media for being too big, was not because of it's overall size, but BECAUSE it's big in the overhangs dept. and WAY small in usable space.

EDIT: pics. this is the change to the wheelbase I'd make to make it more proper. look better?

Original:
http://home.comcast.net/~tang3nt/pics/BuickVelite.jpg
Mod:
http://home.comcast.net/~tang3nt/pic...elite-rear.jpg

if the front wheels could be pushed a few more inches toward the front that would also be ideal.

 

I can't answer that.

Or that.

 

What is the flying velocity of a sparrow?


EDIT: Sorry about that Monty Python flashback.

 

1. Trust me. The thing looks bigger than a Camaro in person.

2. Even a BMW 5 series doesn't have Velite's wheelbase.... and it's over 5" longer.

3. I don't recall anyone slaming the 4th gen's overhang but me. California dips & driveway entrances eat my spoiler daily.

4. Don't do a photochop on the drawing. The drawing is not proportionate to the actual car. You'll do better using a picture of the actual car.

 

Potential consequences of an extra 1.5 inches of width:
More room for headers
More room in the back seat
Room for 11" rear wheels without hammering on the wheel wells
Potential weight increase, but apparently the weight may be similar to a 4th gen
I like it!

 

Also, longer wheel base means that the engine can acutaly be placed in a normal location so that you dont have to bust your knuckles to change plugs!

I dont see the problem. Its body length is smaller, yet wheel base is longer. That means more interior space meaning more practacality for people not looking to run 12's. Wider track means better stance and stability. Wider is Better.
Velite is a large car, I will not doubt that, but when you compare the dimentions to the last 4th gen, it doesnt seem that big. Its features makes it look huge! That I will say, but fitted with more streamlined body pannles, I think we could have a 5th gen on our hands.

One feature id like to see on the Camaro is the ability of the slide/recline seats like on my Maxx. Talk about flexablity! Thats only if its a hatchback.

 

What if the Velite is on a stretched and wider version of Zeta... Would certainly make sense.

If the platform can be streched and lengthened so easy, why not build a huge buick, larger than life so as to distract the public as to whats really under the curtain.

 

Going on what has been said by guionM that car is similar in size to the GTO. Currently the GTO uses the same floor pan as the Commodore (just modified a little). Holden have a longer wheel base in use for wagons, utes, LWB sedans etc. It kinda sounds like it is about the size the next commodore sedan will be, which includes the GTO. IMO the roomy back seat seems to give that away . Which would leave more room for models longer than the Velite are yet to be seen.

This would also mean if it is the middle of the range Zeta then I expect a smaller of the range Zeta to pop up is some form. I'm hoping for a new 4dr Torana here is Aus, your hoping for a Camaro off the same size wheel base. maybe?

Now going off a post from ages ago that I posted up on this board was the expected Zeta rollout.

ZETA ROLL-OUT
2007 Buick luxury sedan
2008 Buick convertible
2008 Pontiac Grand Prix
2008 Pontiac GTO
2008/09 Chevrolet coupe
and convertible
2009 Chevrolet Impala
2010 Chevrolet Monte Carlo

Now i'm pretty sure that the mid range (Medium Wheel Base?) cars will be out first as that is what the Commodore will use. The LWB Zeta cars will follow a year or 2 later from Holden because Holden like to stage things so they don't spread themselves too thin. Then a SWB Zeta will follow soon after, this is my guess as to how Zeta will be released into the wild. Now looking at that rollout list we can be pretty sure the '2008 Buick convertible' i.e. Velite would be around the MWB. The '2007 Buick luxury sedan' MWB again? The '2008 Pontiac Grand Prix' and '2008 Pontiac GTO' sound to me like they will be the Pontiac copies of the Buick 2dr convertible (but with a roof!) and Sedan. And the '2008/09 Chevrolet coupe and convertible' could be on SWB? maybe?

Well, to guys in the know, how is that guess?

Close?
Super close?
STFU n00b you have NFI!?

Anyway April 'ish' 2006 and Holden will put out the VE Commodore and things should be pretty clear by then compared to now

 

Better question: What if there is only one wheelbase for all GM-NA Zeta cars?

 

I was going to say 'not a hope in hell!' but then I noticed you said GM-NA Zeta cars. Interesting question tho if you are getting at what I think you are getting at

 

Rest assured, many others have issues with the overhangs. These dips and driveways are not California-exclusive.

 

Very interesting thought.

Lets compare the G35 Sedan and G35 Coupe, for example.

SEDAN: / COUPE:
WB=112.2 inches / 112.2 in
Length= 186.5 in / 182.2 in
Width = 69 in / 71.5 in


BTW, I think the G35 Coupe is about the right size for a 5th gen Camaro.

 

G35 is way to small IMO. The new GTO is about the size and feel that I want in my 5th gen. Ride hight is fine, suspension is good, road feel is great.