Originally Posted by Z28Wilson

A bunch of fear-mongorers. These same "experts" said the same things about Nissan 10 years ago.

Bottom line is, the market has spoken. Guys know what they want in their pickups. Nissan apparently is not delivering; at least, doesn't deliver nearly well enough to get the loyalists to look elsewhere.

Originally Posted by ProudPony

Then why don't you buy their products?

Vote with your wallet.

Originally Posted by PacerX

Nissan most assuredly WAS NOT the most profitable vehicle manufacturer in the world last year.

That would be Toyota.

Source:
Toyota - $12,119,000,000
Honda - $5,273,000,000
Nissan - $4,565,600,000

2005 profitability reports.
Fortune Global 500

See, you're going to have to keep the discussion to your (admittedly low-value) opinions, because every time you make a claim that can have data associated with it, you're wrong.

Originally Posted by previously in this thread

The below data that's available on most financial sites; these two stories covering 2004 and 2005 fiscal years came from Money/CNN.

2004: "TOKYO – Nissan Motor Co., Ltd., today announced record operating profits of 825 billion yen (US $7.29 billion, euro 6.29 billion), up 11.9% for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2004. The operating profit margin came to 11.1%, reaffirming Nissan’s position as one of the most profitable automakers in the world. Despite a negative foreign exchange rate outlook, operating profits for fiscal year 2004 are forecast to continue to grow to a new record level."

2005: "TOKYO -(Dow Jones)- Nissan Motor Co. (7201.TO), announcing record earnings for its fiscal year ended March 31, disclosed an ambitious new three-year plan that seeks to boost growth while establishing Nissan as one of the world's most financially disciplined car producers.

Nissan said net profit rose 1.7% to Y512.3 billion in the fiscal year, up from Y504 billion a year earlier. Net revenue jumped 15% to Y8.58 trillion as operating profit grew 4.4% to Y861.2 billion. The numbers, which were roughly in line with analysts' expectations, stand in sharp contrast to dismal earnings reports from General Motors Corp. and Ford Motor Co. last week.

For the current fiscal year through March 2006, Nissan said it expects a group net profit of Y517 billion, a group operating profit of Y870 billion and group sales of Y9 trillion.

Nissan maintained an operating margin of 10% for the year. That means that before taxes, Nissan makes 10 cents in profit for every $1 in sales. That number is currently the highest in the automobile industry, even beating its other Japanese competitors. Toyota Motor Corp.'s (7203.TO) profit margins are currently roughly 9% while Honda Motor Co. (7267.TO) weighs in at just under 8%.".

Originally Posted by Robert_Nashville

Fear-mongers???

Originally Posted by Robert_Nashville

Do you really not understand that sales revenue does not equal Profit nor does it equal ROI or profitability?

Originally Posted by Z28Wilson

I believe Nissan is considered the "most profitable" because they make more per car than any other manufacturer. Toyota made the most pure profit, but they build many more vehicles than Nissan. It's all chest-thumping semantics.

Originally Posted by GRNcamaro

so its like the arguemnt your corvette has more horse power but my honda has more hp per litter?

Originally Posted by PacerX

I POSTED THE PROFIT REPORT, YOU KNUCKLEHEAD, AS ISSUED BY FORTUNE MAGAZINE.

http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortu...shots/953.html

General Jackson, did you hit your head hard on something as a child?

Originally Posted by Robert_Nashville

Gross Revenue, Gross profit, Net Profit and ROI are not the same things nor is this an issue of profit per vehicle made. Profitability is a function of ROI which is a computation and is not just Gross or Net Profits alone.

I dont' have time to give you a basic accounting class but these terms are not interchangeable nor are they perfectly symmetrical or subject to whim. They are well and specifically defined financial terms.

Nissan is the world’s most profitable car company for the most recent year (which for Nissan ended on March 31, 2006) and every major financial outlet has the same data. that does not mean it made the most total dollars it means that for every dollar it did make, it got to keep more of it than anyone else and all your ranting about it to the contrary isn't going to change that.

Have a nice day.

Originally Posted by Threxx

Profit, is profit. By default it is the bottom line of the income statement. It is net income: the excess of revenues over outlays in a given period of time. It is, if not specified otherwise, a total dollar figure on a company-wide basis, not a per-item basis.

What you might be referring to is profit margin, as a percentage, company-wide, or even average margin on a vehicle by vehicle basis.

Originally Posted by PacerX

As much as I hate to say it...

Excellent post.

Originally Posted by Threxx

Profit, is profit. By default it is the bottom line of the income statement. It is net income: the excess of revenues over outlays in a given period of time. It is, if not specified otherwise, a total dollar figure on a company-wide basis, not a per-item basis.

What you might be referring to is profit margin, as a percentage, company-wide, or even average margin on a vehicle by vehicle basis.

Originally Posted by Robert_Nashville

Net Income has to be adjusted for different things and is not necessairly "Profit" but when discussing Profit you are talking about $$$ while "profitability" (or ROI) is a percentage that represents how much a company gets to "Keep" out of what it made.

Originally Posted by Robert_Nashville

why do you think, even, as you say, with Titan “sales falling every year”, that Nissan was the most profitable vehicle manufacturer in the world last year?

Originally Posted by Robert_Nashville

Net Income has to be adjusted for different things and is not necessairly "Profit" but when discussing Profit you are talking about $$$ while "profitability" (or ROI) is a percentage that represents how much a company gets to "Keep" out of what it made.