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Old Jun 9, 2005 | 12:46 PM
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well as i am one of the people that is very skeptical about the f-body ever coming back at all. Lets hope this wasnt another person speaking without thinking. Cause if i rememeber correctly didnt lutz say a few months ago in his online blog or something that the f-body was Never coming back?

But i will still be optimistic. and if by some miracle it does come back. I will definately be in line to buy one.
Old Jun 9, 2005 | 12:49 PM
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Key word there "F-Body". I don't want the F-Body to come back either!!!
Old Jun 9, 2005 | 12:57 PM
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F-body is just a vehicle code right? It has nothing to do with the platform it is being built on. Why wouldn't a new Camaro be called an "F-Body"? What else would they call it?
Old Jun 9, 2005 | 01:10 PM
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I'm guessing that whatever latform it ends up on (Sigma, Zeta, Sigma Lite, whatever) , the 4th character in VIN code for the car will still be "F".
Old Jun 9, 2005 | 01:12 PM
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Thats what I thought.
Old Jun 9, 2005 | 01:31 PM
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yea, at this point the F in the F body, no matter what platform that it comes out on, if it does indeed come back, will be just a letter designation. Nothing more than a historical tie to keep the F-Body in F-bodys.. if that makes any sense. I for one would rather have a camaro with a F as the fourth character in the vin than not.

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Old Jun 9, 2005 | 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Crovax WS-6
well as i am one of the people that is very skeptical about the f-body ever coming back at all. Lets hope this wasnt another person speaking without thinking. Cause if i rememeber correctly didnt lutz say a few months ago in his online blog or something that the f-body was Never coming back?
I think that Scott could hold a very intelligent conversation on this topic even without thinking before he speaks. But trust this, whatever comes out of his mouth on the subject of anything regarding the Camaro is very well thought out and Rehearsed.
Old Jun 9, 2005 | 03:18 PM
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So is the video gone for good?
Old Jun 9, 2005 | 03:40 PM
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The site is still down.

I'm not a big believer in coincidences.
Old Jun 9, 2005 | 03:43 PM
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Better grab it quick....

http://video.ls1tech.com/Player.aspx...E-180FF66D4154
Old Jun 9, 2005 | 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Jason E
I can't possibly see Pontiac's largest mainstream car being a G6...that makes no sense. That would leave Pontiac with ONE four door sedan, seeing as how the Sunfire replacement appears DOA. I could stomach Bonnie going bye bye, but GP? If the new one wasn't so damn controversial, it'd sell as well as the old one.

Pontiac needs a Maxima fighter. G6 is too small. I'm praying with the G8 comment, guion knows something we don't
There's a few other people here that know things, so don't toss it all on me.

LeCrosse and LeCerene are both new, and had a substantial amount of money spent on them. That pretty much keeps them in the line up for the rest of the decade. Ditto the Impala. A safe bet is that there will be nothing brought out to detract from those cars that will sit in the same showroom. That would exclude a RWD Impala sized vehicle, or anything in the Buick-Pontiac-GMC showroom that is similar to Buick's 2 new cars. Grand Prix just got a V8 and some tweaking, but is still running with a body that's 3 seasons old already.

Grand Prix just had some tweaks and a V8 but no restyling, so I'd guess it has only 2 more seasons before being replaced (2008-9). Ditto Monte Carlo.

Now, if GM uses a high volume factory, this hypotheical assembly line right off the bat could make 2 sedans and a coupe. Possibly something else.


BTW: "F-BODY" is a structure. "Zeta" is a set of components.

Example: The Holden Commodore, Monaro, and GTO were based on the "Omega" architecture. However, these cars are designated the "V-BODY". The 1st and 2nd gen Camaros were based off of the Chevy Nova, but they both had different "body" designations (Nova was called the "X-body" and of course Camaros & Firebirds were "F-bodies"

In short, the next Camaro and/or it's spinoffs will carry the "F-body" designation using "zeta" or whatever components.

GM body designations:
http://www.darklair.com/monte/year-body.html
http://www.f-body.org/oldfaq/html/tech/sect1.html
Old Jun 9, 2005 | 04:42 PM
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FWIW, I have two F-bodies at home without an F in the VIN.

There actually were Camaros built before 1982 folks.
Old Jun 10, 2005 | 12:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Jason E
I can't possibly see Pontiac's largest mainstream car being a G6...that makes no sense. That would leave Pontiac with ONE four door sedan, seeing as how the Sunfire replacement appears DOA. I could stomach Bonnie going bye bye, but GP? If the new one wasn't so damn controversial, it'd sell as well as the old one.
I could see the G6 as Pontiac's largest car. If you wanted a larger sedan, merely walk across the showroom and choose a Buick.
Old Jun 10, 2005 | 12:58 AM
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Originally Posted by SNEAKY NEIL
Caprice?

Does chevy really have a hole in thier sedan line-up, other than the RWD thing? The Impala is pretty big so does Chevy need or want a car bigger than that?
Yes, its a big hole. Look at Toyota, one of the reasons they are gaining so much ground lately is that they have formed a complete line up of cars, and they are keeping them fresh too. They have the Camry which is a big seller and in the same class as the Impala, but they also have the Avalon which is slightly bigger and more plush. Something Chevy doesn't have. I believe Chevy should have a full line up of cars, even though they may overlap Buick and Pontiac some. That is what Chevy is always been and this crap about it being the economy utility brand sucks.

A new Caprice would be perfect for Chevy's lineup as a slightly bigger car than the Impala, with a V8 and RWD offering options that the Impala doesn't have. Back in the 80s the square Caprice was a extremely popular car, the top models offered Cadillac luxuries with a Chevy price. If they follow this formula again and have it in a nice pkg. sucess they will find. I would like to see a RWD sports sedan from Chevy, but I am not sure how it would work out if Impala remains FWD. and they use another name like Caprice for there top RWD sedan. I guess you could have regular Impalas remain FWD, while offering an exclusive RWD Impala SS that doesn't look like the FWD Impalas. Kind of like how the Camry sedan and coupe look totally different even though share the name.
Old Jun 10, 2005 | 01:03 AM
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I find it interesting that only weeks ago people were saying, we could get a Camaro if things continue, and certain things fall into place, now people are shouting that they've know and been telling us for the last few months that a Camaro is coming.



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