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Old Aug 16, 2005 | 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Darth Xed
A couple comments on size and weight:

1) Weight:
Some people want to keep saying "the new cars are pigs compared to 3rd Gens" etc etc etc... well, we now have frontal airbags, side air bags, curtain airbags, ABS, bigger wheels and tires, better safety structures, and a host of other things that weren't around 20 years ago, and quite frankly... I'm very happy they are around today... unfortuantely they add some weight. It's reality. It's for the best. Get over it.

2) Size:
I've continually said this size issue gets blown out of proportion (no pun intended) on this board... make the car a size that fits the styling, and all is good. Only someone who really wants to complain about something is going to notice or care if a car is 2 or 3 inches longer than some "maximum acceptable length" number that someone pulls out of thin air!!! .

That said, I think the size needs to accomodate the styling. I think the new Mustang looks HUGE... but that is because it is so strongly styled after the old Mustangs that were so much smaller.... it makes the new car look gigantic and odd... this does not mean that the size is wrong... it just means the size is wrong for the styling... IMO.
Well said!


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Old Aug 16, 2005 | 09:57 AM
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OK I’ll admit I was one of those that believed that the upcoming Camaro would be a little too big for my taste (I’ve always thought SN95 was the correct size for the pony car class)however I’m satisfied with the last 2 pages of this thread.. I’ll withhold judgement till more info. Becomes readily available.
Old Aug 16, 2005 | 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by ced8
[...] however I’m satisfied with the last 2 pages of this thread.. I’ll withhold judgement till more info. Becomes readily available.
What?! You mean there was an alternative to conclusion-jumping and hysteria??

Old Aug 16, 2005 | 11:24 AM
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What?! You mean there was an alternative to conclusion-jumping and hysteria??

Btw, that is one clean Fiero. The interior looks brand new!


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Old Aug 16, 2005 | 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by transam8

Btw, that is one clean Fiero. The interior looks brand new!


-Mike

Off topic but af fieros go, I sold a 85MR6 last year with 25k original miles. The interior still smelled new! I kind of miss that car but I had too many..........
Old Aug 16, 2005 | 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by falchulk
Off topic but af fieros go, I sold a 85MR6 last year [...]
Uh, 2M6? You're thinking of the competition, MR_.

Originally Posted by transam8

Btw, that is one clean Fiero. The interior looks brand new!


-Mike
Thanks! Glad to see a couple Fiero enthusiasts.

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Old Aug 16, 2005 | 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by jrp4uc
Uh, 2M6? You're thinking of the competition, MR_.



Thanks! Glad to see a couple Fiero enthusiasts.
Nope he meant 2m6 as in 2m4 or 2 seat mid engined 6 or 4 cyl.
Old Aug 16, 2005 | 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by 91_z28_4me
Nope he meant 2m6 as in 2m4 or 2 seat mid engined 6 or 4 cyl.

You are correct, I have no idea how that R slipped in there. Not the best typist in the world!
Old Aug 16, 2005 | 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by 91_z28_4me
Nope he meant 2m6 as in 2m4 or 2 seat mid engined 6 or 4 cyl.
Ya think? You missed it. I was joking at his wording it in the Toyota "MR2" convention. As a Fiero owner, I may know what a 2M6 is...
Old Aug 16, 2005 | 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by jrp4uc
Ya think? You missed it. I was joking at his wording it in the Toyota "MR2" convention. As a Fiero owner, I may know what a 2M6 is...
I was trying to correct what seemed to be a mis-understanding, afterall there was a typo in his post. Perhaps you should try the sarcasm cap on a little less often, ok?
Old Aug 16, 2005 | 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by BigDarknFast
I gave up riding them on the street and sold them, after it dawned on me that I could be the best, most defensive driver in the world... and sooner or later some nitwit on their cell phone would turn left in front of me. You really don't have a ghost of a chance (no pun intended) in such a collision. Good luck... you'll be needing it.
So EVERY motorcyclist is destined to die by left-turning car?

If absolute safety is your goal, it can't be had, even forsaking motorcycles.
Sure low weight is important. But so is HP/TQ. The 05 GTO for example, certainly no lightweight... but you better believe it's a performance car. So is the Charger SRT8.
Obviously, hp is important. Roughly equally important for overall performance. BUT, think of all the Fbod owners who have added 50% more power. Compare that to the number who have REMOVED 1/3 of their cars weight. Point is, it's WAY easier to add power, VERY difficult to remove weight. And light weight is more FUN anyway!
As for '05 GTOs, or SRT8s, they wouldn't worry me NEARLY as much at the track (road courses) as a Lotus Elise with less than half the horsepower would.
Maybe not first, but it's important to women buyers and it's important to the parents of any value-oriented car aimed at a younger owner.
And of course lighter-weight cars CAN be made safe. Being 400 lb. overweight does NOT necessarily imply greater safety.

How do you know, really, that gas prices are going to go up much in coming years? The only reason they are up now is due to uncertainty about terrorism in the mideast.
Not at all. Global supplies are leveling off, and demand is escalating. Prices will continue to rise (and will further increase the price of milk and nearly everything else as well!).

I'm an optimist. I believe we are going to root out and destroy terrorism as a feared political force
I don't fear terrorism as much as I fear the authoritarian/totalitarian leanings of our current government. Patriot acts, holding citizens with no charges indefinitely, based merely on calling them "terrists", etc. Creepy stuff.

- the same way we imploded Soviet communism. When we do, gas prices will be boring again.
Don't count on it. Expect more of:
>>
NEW YORK - Wall Street retrenched Friday as the trade deficit widened and oil prices surged, while a weak quarterly report from Dell Inc. also disheartened the market. The major indexes ended the week mixed.
Traders were displeased when the Commerce Department reported that the trade deficit, the imbalance between what America sells abroad and what it imports, is running higher than last year's all-time record. The trade deficit rose to $58.8 billion in June, an increase of 6.1 percent from the May deficit of $55.4 billion.

More than half the deterioration in June reflected America's surging foreign oil bill, which hit a record high of $19.9 billion, an increase of almost 10 percent from May. Analysts say climbing oil prices will send that figure higher in coming months.
>>

There's optimism, and then there's sticking your head in the sand. Times will change. And we as a nation are woefully unprepared.

Hmm. Time to go polish your sport bikes. And lay off the hate-orade
?? Not hating, just bummed that GM (likely) won't do the right thing, and gimme what I want! That is, a 3000 lb. Camaro with at least 300hp, that gets 30mpg, and costs less than $30,000.

(sulk sulk sulk)
Old Aug 16, 2005 | 09:27 PM
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This thread has gone through multiple transconfigurations.
Old Aug 16, 2005 | 09:39 PM
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As do most, LOL.
Old Aug 16, 2005 | 10:12 PM
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As was mentioned earlier, GM is prepared with the LSX line of engines. If a Vette can make 505hp and still get 26 highway, I'm sure a 300~hp DOD gas sipper could be produced if we come upon a gas shortage/massive price inflation. The General might be the only automaker prepared for this in this doomsday scenario with the Hemi and modular Fords not being as economical fuel-wise (AFAIK). We could have our performance car AND get good mileage...something their competitors may have to scramble to catch up to.

Let's look on the bright side around here people. We're getting our car back.
Old Aug 16, 2005 | 11:00 PM
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Dan Baldwin: FWIW, I have a couple of sport bikes, and believe me, being lightweight and maneuverable is a TREMENDOUS boon to safety.
Not to mention: 6 piston Tokico Brakes with cross-drilled rotors, tremendous power-to-weight ratio, and a suspension that leans into turns like an Olympic skier.



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