Ah, the triangle principle. Put those three on each side and you can pick two adjacent sides, but it won't be the third.

 

True... but that's getting kind of ticky-tacky in a way to get the votes to lean a certain direction, IMO... I think a lot of people would have voted for " APRROX. the same as" if it were there...

Ranges are better than absolutes in most polls...

 

Define approx.

 

Nope. Completely serious.

 

I dunno... maybe "within a few inches of (either direction)"

 

Well my apologies to FbodFather, yes we have gone off track some. I will bring the focus back to the GTO.

I am a huge fan of the current GTO and a big part of that is its excellent rear leg room. Sure its got some pounds. It's also got 400 hp to back it up. For my needs, that's a great combo. Yep I realize that's not for everyone... but it is selling well and it's a configuration with real usefulness for four occupants. I'm not afraid to say, I've no objection if a new Camaro is the SAME power and weight as the new GTO, if it has the same utility.

Good for you. Perhaps you should get into kart racing.... the ultimate four-wheel low-weight motor sport! Or even motorized skateboards
Nope. Just not caring about how fast a thirty-year-old 6-cylinder coupe with no back seat (or anything else pretty much) can go around a loop. If that's your cup of tea, hoorah! But it will never hold a candle to American Muscle, in my book. And if I ever get a modern GTO, I won't be caring then either about the almighty 240Z

 

That encompasses smaller, same as, or larger.

 

YOU'RE WRONG!!!!! At night, it's actually a really dark shade of purple!

 

heheheh... I can see we won't get anywhere on this, so I'll just let it go....

 

so then.........this site has been annointed as the "official.....we know what's best......therefore, listen only to us" Camaro site????

Musta missed that memo...............

As to either smaller or larger......it isn't that cut and dried.....it COULD be MMs taller in some areas depending on the design.....and mms shorter in others.........unless you are only referring to overall length........(I was assuming three dimensions) But again, I think Darth has a good point....styling may be such that you're fooled by overall length.

(check your email)

 

There is nothing wrong at all with defending a position. There is, however, a fine line there that is sometimes difficult to "navigate" so to speak. Implying (at least in my mind) that others are not Camaro enthusiasts because they do not agree with your own vision is crossing that line IMO.

As to the second part of your post, yes I certainly could be happy with a sub 3,700lb Camaro. That is, if the car still remains usable when it comes to interior volume and space. I've stated on here before that I'm personally not looking for a Cobalt sized Camaro. Now, let me ask you a question. If a 3700lb Camaro were produced and it provided handling capabilities at the top of its class and took a step up from the 3rd/4th gens in that department, would you still not purchase it? Would the sole factor of weight kill the purchase for you if the overall vehicle was fantastic?

-Mike

 

OK, as per others' example, back on the GTO:
Yeah, I like it a lot. Would like it better at 3600 lb. rather than 3800, but like you say, 400hp makes up for a lot of that IN THIS CLASS OF CAR (big bruiser of a modern musclecar, with some luxury and sophistication).

Obviously, I'd be appalled at this. Smaller, more all-around performance PONY car should be significantly lighter and nimbler than the new GTO IMO.

If you didn't CARE, then why did you ask?
Sounds like you were interested. Pretty clear you figured my car would be slower, which thought obviously pleased you. When you found out otherwise, you *then* decided that track speed was not important. There is no convincing someone who's mind is closed. If you've decided to like whatever the new Camaro is based SOLELY on it being American and having a V8, damn the track performance, that's fine. I'm sure you'll forgive me for wanting it to be something that does not have to make excuses at the track.

Dude, you *should* get a GTO. I'd love to have one meself (no scoops please!). But I do NOT want the new Camaro to be anywhere near the GTO in terms of weight. What would be the point, anyway, we already HAVE the GTO!

But of course we all know I'm in for a disappointment
Ah well...

GM, if you're listening, make the Camaro a V8 Solstice 2+2 Coupe, not a 2+2 Cadillac. PLEASE!

 

There are Camaro enthusiasts and there are Camaro enthusiasts. Do they all have the same intensity? Doubt it. Do they all have varying degrees of enthusiasm? Of course. Are they all interchangeable?
In addition to being a Camaro enthusiast.....I'm also a Mustang enthusiast. Do I have different levels of enthusiasm for each car? You bet. I'll admit that I know LOTS of people who are bigger Mustang enthusiasts than me though. I can't really say that about Camaro.
My enthusiasm for Camaro burns WHITE HOT! My enthusiasm for Mustang is less by afew notches. In fact I'm an enthusiast for many different cars......but all to differing degrees. I'm sure that you can imagine that some people are alittle more/less passive or less/more intense for there enthusiam for varying things. Take our screen names for example.

In my mind, anyone who advocates that it's ok for Camaro to be a nearly 2 ton intermediate coupe....is not an enthusiast in the same vein as I. Whether that's good or bad...I don't know. If you think I'm wrong, (and that's fine), then defend your position, but my opinion won't change.

Well first I would say - why does it need to be 3,700lbs? That amount of weight certainly deviates from my ideal of the Camaro formula. Getting back to the GTO, it weighs alot and it sure doesn't feel very tossable to me. I'd miss that in a new Camaro.
Physics is physics...

 

Hmm....maybe I'm not conveying my thoughts into type very well, but it doesn't really matter. I don't think we're going to get anywhere further on the enthusiast subject. Nice one on the screen names btw.

Getting back to my question, 3700lbs was just a number that I pulled out of space. How about this, if a Camaro came in weighing anything more than a number that you thought to be appropriate, yet still performed all of the tasks that I listed in my previous post (i.e. a great overall car), would you not purchase the car based solely on the fact that you believed that it weighed too much? I'm not looking at the current GTO, because I would imagine that the two will not share much in the way of suspension settings,hardware,tires, platforms, etc.

-Mike

 

Finally. Something we agree on!
Just my opinion, but I don't see how they are going to be much lighter than for example, the 05 Stang. So it gets into a hair-splitting discussion. 3450? 3550? 3650? Very little difference to most buyers in the segment. In fact the Camaro has ALREADY weighed in at 3700 lb, in 1975, and in 1979 it was over 3600 lb and selling well (with high gas prices in effect, as pointed out by an esteemed member here).
Congratulations. We have now both asked at least one rhetorical question. (RE: my question about whether you've encountered Fbodies/Vettes at the track, full implications of which have apparently gone over your head).
I didn't try out your links - already know what they would indicate. That your apple has faster loop times than selected oranges in an uncontrolled experiment with different drivers, funding, tires, states of tune et. al. Sure track times matter... to you. If that's your thing, great!
Agreed - due to your disconnect with the realities of modern curb weights. Too bad 4u.