More GTO news....
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Originally Posted by shadydavy 95 TA
I see where you are coming from, and hopefully you are right. But if all this criticism was constructive, why did Red Planet go on hiatus from the board? And why does he have to constantly remind us, usually through what seems to be gnashed teeth, to keep the faith?
We've been through this before. GuionM trying to allay our fears, and Z284ever telling us that all is not as it should be. What was correct with the percieved death of the GTO was something somewhere in the middle, and it'll probably be that way again with this rumor.
We've been through this before. GuionM trying to allay our fears, and Z284ever telling us that all is not as it should be. What was correct with the percieved death of the GTO was something somewhere in the middle, and it'll probably be that way again with this rumor.
I can’t speak for why RP left this board for a while, but I though it was related to a specific incident. I can see why he gets frustrated. He knows what is really going on but can’t say anything. He then gets to witness all of the reactions to the doom and gloom, speculative press and sketchy internet ramblings. This is a recipe for frustration!
Now, on the other side of the fence, you have people that desperately want a new Camaro. There still is not one in production and won’t be for years to come. GM is still officially mum about the entire situation. And all we have is the doom and gloom press and sketchy internet ramblings. Once again, we have a recipe for frustration.
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Originally Posted by formula79
I think it is obvious GM views the new Mustang as the ideal size for a new Camaro 
Herein lays the problem.
The new mustang is too big! Based on the recent poll on this site, this seems to be a popular sentiment.
I am with Charlie on this one, the G35 coupe is the ideal size.
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Originally Posted by holeshot
Herein lays the problem.
The new mustang is too big! Based on the recent poll on this site, this seems to be a popular sentiment.
I am with Charlie on this one, the G35 coupe is the ideal size.
The new mustang is too big! Based on the recent poll on this site, this seems to be a popular sentiment.
I am with Charlie on this one, the G35 coupe is the ideal size.
Right now GM has Mustang fever. If the new Mustang came as a 5 door hatchback, with a roof mounted air extractor and diesel power....that's what the Camaro would have.
YES, the new Mustang is too big. How sad if the new Camaro were even bigger.......and heavier.
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Maybe instead of the Z-28 being the performance model it should be the Z-71? 
The Mopar cars are pretty hefty, as is the new 'Stang. As much as we would like it, I see no motivation for GM to break from the trend and give us a flyweight Camaro.
The Mopar cars are pretty hefty, as is the new 'Stang. As much as we would like it, I see no motivation for GM to break from the trend and give us a flyweight Camaro.
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Originally Posted by shadydavy 95 TA
Maybe instead of the Z-28 being the performance model it should be the Z-71? The Mopar cars are pretty hefty, as is the new 'Stang. As much as we would like it, I see no motivation for GM to break from the trend and give us a flyweight Camaro.
The Mopar cars are pretty hefty, as is the new 'Stang. As much as we would like it, I see no motivation for GM to break from the trend and give us a flyweight Camaro.Well first, forget about a flyweight Camaro, I'm just hoping for it to not be a pig.
But secondly, why do you see no motivation for GM to break the trend of large, hefty, performance cars - established by the new Mustang and the LX cars?
Seems to me if GM were sharp, they might see an opportunity here.
BTW, also if GM were sharp, they might notice that the lighter, smaller, G35 coupe does more volume in any one year...than ALL the GTO's sold in 2003, 2004 and 2005....combined.
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Originally Posted by Z284ever
Well first, forget about a flyweight Camaro, I'm just hoping for it to not be a pig.
But secondly, why do you see no motivation for GM to break the trend of large, hefty, performance cars - established by the new Mustang and the LX cars?
Seems to me if GM were sharp, they might see an opportunity here.
BTW, also if GM were sharp, they might notice that the lighter, smaller, G35 coupe does more volume in any one year...than ALL the GTO's sold in 2003, 2004 and 2005....combined.
But secondly, why do you see no motivation for GM to break the trend of large, hefty, performance cars - established by the new Mustang and the LX cars?
Seems to me if GM were sharp, they might see an opportunity here.
BTW, also if GM were sharp, they might notice that the lighter, smaller, G35 coupe does more volume in any one year...than ALL the GTO's sold in 2003, 2004 and 2005....combined.
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Re: More GTO news....
Originally Posted by Z284ever
Well first, forget about a flyweight Camaro, I'm just hoping for it to not be a pig.
But secondly, why do you see no motivation for GM to break the trend of large, hefty, performance cars - established by the new Mustang and the LX cars?
Seems to me if GM were sharp, they might see an opportunity here.
BTW, also if GM were sharp, they might notice that the lighter, smaller, G35 coupe does more volume in any one year...than ALL the GTO's sold in 2003, 2004 and 2005....combined.
But secondly, why do you see no motivation for GM to break the trend of large, hefty, performance cars - established by the new Mustang and the LX cars?
Seems to me if GM were sharp, they might see an opportunity here.
BTW, also if GM were sharp, they might notice that the lighter, smaller, G35 coupe does more volume in any one year...than ALL the GTO's sold in 2003, 2004 and 2005....combined.
I think GM is always going to be a follower...so they view the trend as an excuse not to spend too much money lightening up a new Camaro.
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Originally Posted by guionM
The new Monaro isn't going to share sheetmetal with Commodore, it's going to be larger than it is currently, and GTO is part of the program. That's all I know about it right now.
That's also why I know any "Camaro" isn't going to be GTO sized.
EDIT : Found the article
The Holden Monaro could become mightier when it emerges from the VE Commodore development program. It could become a rival to the Chevrolet Corvette.
The potential to take on America's classic King of the Hill sports car has emerged as Holden's product planners go back to basics for the Monaro successor.
"Really, the current Monaro is just a two-door Commodore," GM Holden chairman Denny Mooney says.
"There are other alternatives, still with VE architecture. We could do a real performance coupe.
"I'm not saying we want to do a Corvette, but it could be quite a different product."
News of the Corvette potential for the Monaro comes as other engineering chiefs at Holden talk about their ambitions for the brand.
Some are even keen to produce a Commodore to rival the BMW M5, using performance parts from the GM world.
Mooney has flagged the move for the Monaro, even though the car is not confirmed for showrooms either in Australia or in America, where it is sold as the Pontiac GTO.
He is more confident that Holden will have a new-generation Monaro as opportunities for the Australian mechanical package re-emerge, but is vague on the details.
It was previously suggested that hopes of a tie-up with GM's global product development were over, but Mooney denies the death of the international VE.
"I still think it is highly likely we will see rear-wheel-drive vehicles in North America with significant design input from our organisation. Our architecture is still being looked at very favourably," he says.
The future of the Monaro is tied to some degree with overseas developments, but Mooney won't be specific on US production potential or a continuation of the Pontiac GTO.
A final decision on the Monaro could come as late as the second half of next year. That would still give Holden time to fast-track the coupe.
"It will be in the next 12 months. Our vehicle development cycle is getting a lot shorter," Mooney says.
The Daily Telegraph
The potential to take on America's classic King of the Hill sports car has emerged as Holden's product planners go back to basics for the Monaro successor.
"Really, the current Monaro is just a two-door Commodore," GM Holden chairman Denny Mooney says.
"There are other alternatives, still with VE architecture. We could do a real performance coupe.
"I'm not saying we want to do a Corvette, but it could be quite a different product."
News of the Corvette potential for the Monaro comes as other engineering chiefs at Holden talk about their ambitions for the brand.
Some are even keen to produce a Commodore to rival the BMW M5, using performance parts from the GM world.
Mooney has flagged the move for the Monaro, even though the car is not confirmed for showrooms either in Australia or in America, where it is sold as the Pontiac GTO.
He is more confident that Holden will have a new-generation Monaro as opportunities for the Australian mechanical package re-emerge, but is vague on the details.
It was previously suggested that hopes of a tie-up with GM's global product development were over, but Mooney denies the death of the international VE.
"I still think it is highly likely we will see rear-wheel-drive vehicles in North America with significant design input from our organisation. Our architecture is still being looked at very favourably," he says.
The future of the Monaro is tied to some degree with overseas developments, but Mooney won't be specific on US production potential or a continuation of the Pontiac GTO.
A final decision on the Monaro could come as late as the second half of next year. That would still give Holden time to fast-track the coupe.
"It will be in the next 12 months. Our vehicle development cycle is getting a lot shorter," Mooney says.
The Daily Telegraph
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Re: More GTO news....
Originally Posted by holeshot
Herein lays the problem.
The new mustang is too big! Based on the recent poll on this site, this seems to be a popular sentiment.
I am with Charlie on this one, the G35 coupe is the ideal size.
The new mustang is too big! Based on the recent poll on this site, this seems to be a popular sentiment.
I am with Charlie on this one, the G35 coupe is the ideal size.
I think the current Mustang is fine...we will see. Sytling can make a car look larger than it is.
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YES, the new Mustang is too big. How sad if the new Camaro were even bigger
And I imagine I'm in the minority... but I happen to really like the long, sleek lines of my 4gen Formula.
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Originally Posted by Chris 96 WS6
I think GM is always going to be a follower...so they view the trend as an excuse not to spend too much money lightening up a new Camaro.
This is another big problem. You can't show up 4 years late to the party with a "me too", " just good enough" mustang copy. The new Camaro has to be better. A smaller, tidier, more nibble, and better handling car would be a step in the right direction.
Just like in racing: "It is impossible to win if you never lead"
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Originally Posted by BigDarknFast
The 05 Mustang is a hit, and partly because it has a real back seat.
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If the Camaro is G35 sized or Eclipse sized its going to compete in that segment, not the Mustang's. By making it that small you limit the market it appeals to. It's funny that the guys that say the pure sports car method is what killed the 4th gen are advocating doing the same thing all over again......................
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Originally Posted by falchulk
If the Camaro is G35 sized or Eclipse sized its going to compete in that segment, not the Mustang's. By making it that small you limit the market it appeals to. It's funny that the guys that say the pure sports car method is what killed the 4th gen are advocating doing the same thing all over again......................
The G35 sized SN95 pretty much ate the Tahoe sized 4th gen for lunch in sales. And yes, they competed in the same segment.