LS1.com sucks anyway...

Sounds like a case of BSitis. Of course that when a GTO does faster then what people think, the flags are gunna fly. I only wish I was at Etown to see them race. Not like anyone here would belive me either. Id have to take a pic with a penny showing no spray, no nothing.
Snorman, its time to pay up.

 

Sounds like you're sore from being made the fool...over and over again.
Lies? ROTFLMAO! You wrote the book, my internet-hero friend.
I sure did. And when the mag prints the results, verifying the car is stock and ran the number, you'll get your winnings. I don't need excuses...you've been sweating this for nearly 9 months. Each time a test failed you go your way, you countered with a plethora of excuses why.
Uhh...I've never made such a claim. You need to stop telling lies, boy.
And I do like it, but not for $33k plus markups. Give the GTO another 50-75hp, a usable trunk, drop a few pounds and I think it's a winner. Outright lies this time...perhaps you could provide an example of one of my "outright lies".
Doesn't matter if it's a ringer or not...if it runs a 13.49 or quicker, bone stock, you win. BTW...Carlsbad is at 200ft....basically sea level.
People? One...one person, anywhere...claimed to run a 13.3. I doubted it, still do. Fortunately, it's my prerogative. Find another who has run the number...just one.
LOL...yeah, you got me.
It was always 13.5...always. But since you know those thread are long gone, you'll change the story (lie), like you're prone to doing. I'm quite sure I could get a few respected members of that site to verify that it was never 13.8, but you'd simply claim that they don't like you (since you pretty much argue with everybody at LS1.com), and they're just trying to discredit your claim.
Dude, you've looked like such a fool on LS1.com you finally just left. Seldom do you even post on that forum anymore, why would you, your credibility is shot. Most who read your posts know you're a liar, most take anything you have to say with a grain of salt. I don't hate your guts, I think you're a internet-pretending, lying joke.
See...there you go, lying again. This was me disappearing on LS1.com just last week. BTW...more lies from you permeate that thread. Here are a few posts from the last few days. But you're right...I "disappeared" from LS1.com.
You're nothing more than a trouble maker. Here is a post from LS1.com where you insulted one of the local F-body guys (well known and respected in Jersey) because he was asking about a Mach I. After sticking your d*ck in your mouth, insulting his car and dragging Cosby into it, the thread was locked. This is typical of the crap you pull over there, and will likely begin here. You hide behind a keyboard, unknown to those you insult, ridicule and berate. Get a life.
S.

 

Snorman... If it wasn't so petty, it would be cute how you neatly edited my quote below to fit your own ego needs:

Deleting the first sentence in the quote above helped (a little) in your subsequent twisting of the meaning I was trying to convey...

The new Stang has a lot going for it... including the styling, drivetrain and value pricing. Sorry to bring cold reality in to crash the party... but since it fails to break any real new ground, it's future is risky (same for the 1964-clone Ford GT). Maybe that's why you feel the need to resort to personal attacks... they're the only narcotic left for someone without facts on their side.

More misquoting, more personal attacks... your desperation is showing... *yawn*

Yes and thank you ( ) but too late... my point has already been made. Some Cobras HAVE gone 'boom' from street modding including pulleys. Forged internals... foo.

Dare I suggest you could use the roomy back seat of a GTO to carry cargo?


Here is yet another place where your anti-GM bias shows with great clarity (BTW I agree with another poster here... buying a Suburban does not magically transform you or anyone into a GM enthusiast). The GTO IS a hot machine IMO... not just the engine or interior... but it's Aussie racing heritage, it's great road performance and IRS... it's perfectly tuned true dual factory exhaust (totally UNlike the hissing, stifling joke of an exhaust sold with the 03 Cobras)... THOSE are some of the things that make it 'hot'. Where on earth did I claim it was a 'hot seller'?

Baloney. Who's the one starting the personal attacks? Latent anger... indeed.

Unbelievable... to Ford fans maybe ...but wait, these fans are starting to have horrible memory flashes... of the over-rated 99 Cobra fiasco... and the simultaneous attack of the under-rated FBody LS1! The HORROR! Time to stop posing, and start paying off your GTO E.T. bet! OMG! What if the GTO is ...underrated too!

More hating on GM. Go back to StangNet where you belong.

 

Hmmm....though I know better, I suppose one could somehow come to the conclusion that Sean (Snorman) is a "GM hater". At the same time (and I can't say for sure if it is true or not - I can only base this on what I've read here), one could very easily come to the conclusion that you are a GM apologist.

Don't you think?

 

Bob - I'm not surprised you've once again decided to chime in on subjects such as this

Sure - label me however you like. You'll notice though, not once have I labeled a person 'GM hater'. I've made note about some BEHAVIOR - sure, I do find the ACT of hating on GM annoying. I simply do not comprehend - if someone so intensely dislikes GM's current and future products, why then don't they go to a place where others like them also dwell? There, they will have a full choir of their brethren to sing with.

Guess for some reason, I had the crazy idea this was a site for GM enthusiasts. Those who are in one way or another, excited about GM cars and trucks. I've seen precisely ONE statement (at least, one which actually sounded sincere) from the member we are discussing where he supports GM products. He's perfectly entitled to voice his opinions, whether he is a GM fan or not... but NO ONE should be surprised about the reaction he will get if coming here to diss GM's extensive lineup of GM's performance-oriented cars and trucks. Maybe that's why he's here... (you too?)

 

You know BDnF......some of us are GM enthusiasts who want GM to do better.

The day that we don't care enough to complain anymore....will be the day that GM loses us----forever.

 

I agree with you 100% Z... I have no issue with peeps making constructive criticism... it's when I see a 'refrain of cynicism' I react.

 

Yes, I agree. Some of us may complain a lot, but that means we are still showing interest in what GM has to offer, albeit less than positive interest. If some of us stop complaining, it might be an indication that we've found "automotive happiness" elsewhere and have no need to gripe about GM's latest offerings.

Here in Dearborn, I've been seeing more and more 05 Mustangs rolling around town. I must say, the temptation to abandon GM seems to grow each time I see one.

But, I'll wait. I've got my eye on a new engine package for the SS once I graduate college and find a job.

 

I suppose we'll see in a year. The '05 fails to break any "new ground" because it has styling reminiscent of the older Mustangs? That's interesting. Virtually none of the chassis is shared with the SN95 cars. The engine has been substantially changed, as well as the tranny, brakes, interior, etc., etc.. Mustang's future hasn't been "risky" since Ford woke up in the early '90's and scrapped plans to replace it with the FWD Probe. With Bill Ford at the helm, I doubt we'll ever see a recurrence.
Uhh...you must be feeling fragile today. I haven't personally attacked you at all. At least not any more than you've personally attacked myself (and others!) who voice a negative opinion regarding any aspect of a GM vehicle. And what facts don't I have? This is a discussion of opinion. You think the '05 will apparently lose its luster and sales will falter...I don't. We'll know soon enough.
Better off to avoid this. You know what you said, I know what you said. It didn't happen...end of discussion.
They sure have. I would never insinuate that they haven't, or won't. Failures are a risk for any engine, even one that doesn't make 420-430hp. And FYI, very few '03/'04 Cobra engine failures are bottom end failures (crank, rods, etc.). Some have damaged pistons, but that's an unavoidable consequence when dealing with boost. It's also the reason that I won't pulley my car until I know that I'll go the whole way and get it tuned on a dyno with a wideband. Yeah, they'll absolutely break, forged bottom end or not. But, for every one that breaks, I can show you many that don't and make over 450rwhp. Forged internals have nothing to do with the tune and mean nothing if the car is lean and detonates.
I decided to buy a Cobra, not a GTO for reasons in addition to its woeful trunk space. But yes, I'm sure I could hoist some of the items that I shuttle between our centers on the nice, leather back seats of a GTO.
This is a pathetic statement at best, and typical. On this, and the other board, you always end up resorting to labeling me "anti-GM" and hinting that I'm a GM hater. Presumably, you hope to discredit my opinions because they often don't agree with your own. So if I had a used, $10k F-body sitting in my garage, would I suddenly be a "GM enthusiast"? If I had bought a C5 instead of a Suburban would I be a "GM enthusiast"? What are the standards for joining the "GM Enthusiast Club"? Does it mean that I must own a certain GM model, or is it that I must refrain from levying criticism or negative opinion of any GM product?
I've had a GM car or truck for over 10 years. The last two (Tahoe then Suburban) have proven to be outstanding vehicles. The '97 Grand Prix before that was a nightmare of quality issues. This should come as no surprise to you, you owned a GTP that I think I recall had a very extensive service history. The difference is I'll call a spade a spade, and make no apologies for GM.
But true. I think we both know that both struggle just to break into the 14's. The SS barely squeaks in there, and the SSR is around .5 second off the pace.
And blah, blah, blah...I'll stay here. I don't go to StangNet. I only have so much time to spend on the internet. Between my favorite GM boards, an SVT and Mustang board, a turbo Buick board or two, I don't have time for it.
S.

 

Then you obviously don't pay attention. I think GM has done a wonderful job with Corvette over the last several years (C5 and C6). I think the new C6 is an awesome machine, both aesthetically and funtionally. I also have praise for GM trucks, as I've often stated. Furthermore, I don't dislike GTO, I think GM could have done better. C'mon...there is no excuse for that trunk. It's also very porky for a car sporting an all-aluminum LS1 powerplant. They should have put a bigger wheel/tire on it, and it's a damn shame dealers are asking premiums for a car that isn't selling!
And this is the reason that I take nothing that you have to say personally. You'll belittle and insult anybody who doesn't see GM or a GM product through rose colored glasses and voice that opinion. This thread is a perfect example. Belittling and insulting fellow F-body owners because of their concern and anger about piston slap. Why?!?
S.

 

Stick around and keep rolling your eyes, shipmate. Perhaps I'll join more?

Ok. My perception of you is that you are a GM apologist. Wrong or not - that is my perception.

You can have whatever perception you want of me. It bothers me not.

Hmmmm...was it not you that, in response to Snorman, said "More hating on GM." Is that not labeling that person a GM Hater? Would not someone that hates GM then not be a GM hater?

I can add. No kidding.

I'm sorry, I misunderstood. They can look like a GM hater, smell like a GM hater, and type like a GM hater, but they really aren't a GM hater. It's just their behavior.

Gotcha.

Maybe, just maybe, there are enthusiasts over here that go more than just "GM or nothing". If that is your deal, hey, whatever. But don't expect everybody to tow your party line. Also, maybe he doesn't dislike/hate/whatever GM as much as you wish to believe? And make no mistake - I'm sure you believe him to be a "GM hater". We all have our perceptions (but we've covered that one).

Oh I agree. I think the majority of folks on this site are just as GM loyal as you are. Doesn't mean everybody is. Or has to be.

For those that aren't, should they fake it, or just shut up?

Really? Wow. Could you quote it, please? Not counting those he posted after your last post, of course.

It is good that we have that one cleared up.

Something tells me he's not worried about getting "dissed", as you put it. And I doubt he is surprised. See statement above about GM loyalist (and again, nothing wrong with that).

I'm mostly here to learn. As I've stated in the past, this is my best source for inside info on a variety of cars - not just GM. However, there are times when I feel like replying. Times such as these.

Life. Interesting, eh?

 

OK everyone, just make one big quote instead of quoting 40 times in one post, it makes the posts a lot easier to skip over and get to the actual "5th gen and future vehicle discussion" information in the threads instead of the useless bickering.

 

No, you do not like it. If you did, you wouldn't spend all your time trolling every poster who promotes it. You've just illustrated that you are indeed...and outright liar, again.


What part of this don't you understand?

You refuse, once again to acknowledge those runs were not very good because of bad air and a poor track? My excuses or Evan Smith's?

You didn't just doubt it, you and your entourage of trolls flamed NikiVee so badly he left. But not before he posted his time slip which you claimed was forged. Thankfully, he refused to answer you, went to another site and promptly posted the entire timeslip, which clearly was not altered.

How about that SLP post on LS1-tech? Gonna pretend that didn't happen either? Two of them ran 13.14. Still not good enough? Quit pretending you don't think it's true when you know damn well it is.

Your purpose in being in NikiVee's thread was the same as it is here. To detroy the atmosphere, to lie, to flame, to name-call and to attack anyone who has a positive GM point of view. The threads you posted of me were my reactions to just that. Lucky for you LS1.com has been hugely edited recently because you posted some dandy little gems there and they even threatened to give you a "vacation".

The way you've changed your story 1000 times? The way you pick out select threads but don't tell about the other threads you trolled in to create the reaction? It was 13.8, then it was 13.5. Then you accused me of saying the GTO would be a 12 second car.

And now, after seeing the pics of my cars and acknowledging seeing them you're still accusing me of not having a car.

Yup. Typical. When the going gets tough, Snarlman starts denying. Why? Because he's a Ford troll.

No, I never left. You just posted a link to your own thread where I once again, took you out. Then when I said you disappeared (like you often do when it gets to hot for you) you quickly went back to the thread and made a post. The viewers at home will kindly look at the date on Snorman's second last post, then note that he just posted today to cover-up himself looking like a lying scoundrel.

It didn't work.

And I have in reality been over at another website, where a significant number of posters have migrated, unfortunately attracting a certain number of the Ford troll entourage you used to hang with. But don't worry, I have had them all worked up again, just like I did with you.

So, why would a guy with an '03 Cobra who hates GM hang on an F-body site?

 

LOL. Point well taken.

 

Once again, you're lying.
I never once claimed the timeslip was forged, Photoshopped or altered. I claimed that the car number for the car in one of the lanes (opposite the claimed GTO run) was the same three digit car number on the Pontiac on his website and the times for that car NA matched the times on the slip he posted. That was my assertion. I even offered to meet him at the Cecil or MG for some racing before the claimed 13.3 run. You see...unlike some people, I'm not a chickensh*t who hides behind a keyboard and stirs sh*t on the internet. BTW...I'll be racing at Atco this Thursday night (weather permitting) if anybody is interested. Stop by and say "hi".
Hate to tell you, but it's the same car.
What's your point again? I questioned the car. But in the end, it doesn't matter. In over 9 months, and numerous tests, one car finally did it. It only had to be bone stock and in print. That's it.
Bullsh*t. I was never threatened by a mod, you however were warned several times in the Fords/Foreign section. Here is the thread in question. Show me where I was "threatened" a "vacation". Hint...you won't find it because...you're lying again.
Uhh...okay, example?
Do a search, find the posts. Most of them are still there. You might not want to, it would probably prove this claim as ridiculous as it really is.
Hmmm...I posted on the 21st, 22nd, 24th, 30th and 31st in the forum alone, yet I "disappeared"? I also posted on the 26th and 28th in the Eastern Forum. Get your facts straight and stop lying. And...LOL...yeah, you "took me out". Rather, there was no point in continuing to reply to your drivel in that thread. I disappeared?!? I started that thread, ya' liar.
I'm sure you have. That's all you do...start sh*t, hide behind a keyboard and monitor, and pretend.

And just to clarify, I've got a busy day at work tomorrow after the long weekend. Tomorrow night I'll be doing a turbo, intercooler, injector swap on the Regal, so I probably won't be around to counter your usual lies, deceptions, skewed facts and BS.
Wouldn't want you to think I forgot about you.
S.