I dont think that the 5.3 V8 will be available for around 20k. Probably more like 23-25k. Id say the 3.9 V6 will be more around the Cobalt SS's price.

I think that the Z28 should start at 26-27k and option it out with performance, and the SS should start around maybe upwards of 27-28 with leather and the optional stereo in the Z as standard in the SS.
I think that the Z28 doesnt have to be an all out racecar, just racecar-like. Yeah, cloth seats should come standard, but leather should be an option. Im sure people are gunna want options as far as an optional stereo, leather, and even an automatic. Perhaps the 6spd that Zeta is designed for can be converted to some sweet paddel shifters! NOW thats hot! Even in an autostick feature.
I dont think that the Z28 should be deprived from all comfort items, but things like 550watt stereo will be a SS item, not a Z28, got me? I also think that the SS doesnt have to be an all out luxury pig. Offer the Z28 suspension as an option, as the stock will be not so wound up.

 

Well actually thats about what I was thinking anyway. But I thought the supercharged Cobalt was gonna be like 23-24. So we are on the same page I guess I jsut had prices mixed up. So me and you ar eright about the same page as far as pricing. Although I'd like to see a limited production $38k IROC-Z avaliable to slay cobra's

But with what you were tlakin about with the options, your almost to the point of whats the point having two models again. I agree that you should be able to get the same powertains optional in both, but alot of the perfoamce options of the Z28 (suspension, tougher rear end, gears, brakes) shoudlnt be avalible for both and I think leather, nice stero, body flares, paddle shift auto (if avaliable) 18" wheels should be only for the SS.

However I still stand firm that either a targa or T-Top, whichever may be put into the line-up should be avalible on both cars.

I think some drag racers (such as myself to an extent) would be upset to not have an Auto tranny avalible with the all out performance Z28. But honestly most people that concerned with making their car a hardcore drag racer have the cash flow to do an auto swap anyway.

 

I understand about the options, and yes the Z28 will still get more performance options, but why cant it get a few other comfrot items? And on the other aspect, why cant the SS get some sporty options? Personaly, I dont want leather in my Z. I would like Ttops though, along with power seats and XM. I dont want to have to be forced to get the SS. You shouldnt be forced into one car or another. People will want a Camaro, and they want choices. I dont want to be forced into the SS when I want a Z28. That was the problem with GM, they made cars that they want you to drive. I want a car that I want to drive, and they should offer some options that overlap the 2 top models.

And if the Camaro still raced in IROC, I could see it. Bringing back the name when they have no tie with the series wouldnt mean much.

 

It would mean I could have a NEW IROC! No other explanation needed Honestly though I think it would sell. Even if they only released it two years Im sure it would sell, think of how many guys would bie it just for nostalgic purposes, cause they had one brand new in the 80s. And in conjusntion with Camaro IROC may be teh most recognized name there is. ANd hey they could make it and re-enter the IROC races.

And yes I do know Im pissing in the wind on that subject, but my point remains valid.

I can see the Z getting a COUPLE luxury options. But honestly most people who want the al out performnce model are "modish" people anyway. So they wouldnt mind terribly pulling seats from an SS and swapping them if they wanted leather. And on a seat note, this jsut came to me. The SS should get touring type leather seats, and the Z28 should get some cool cloth recaro seats or something like that. And other than perhaps gear sets I dont think the SS should get any of the performance optiosn teh Z gets. However I do agree teh Z28 should have an XM option.

 

Im not saying that the Z gets a LOT of luxury items, or am I saying that the SS get a LOT of performance options. I think what comes standard on the Z should be a "sport" option, and what comes standard on the SS should be the "luxury" option package for the Z.
The standard Z28 suspension should be an option on the SS, not any type of Z28 optional suspension. And the base leather, stereo, and other minor things can be an option package for the Z, not the DVD nav and other things. Just a tiny overlap of the 2, but not a total overlap.

 

Well, you never know CLEAN.

Certainly, it needs to be designed with a relatively narrow focus, in order to get the desired effect. But that's EXACTLY what was done with the Z06....and look what happened....it has always sold at 250%-300% of initial sales projections.


No, a real Z/28 won't sell like a Camry......but I definitely believe that there is market for such a car.

 

....how can GM possibly make a car that every camaro enthuisits likes? think of the GTO, everyone was bitching for a new RWD v-8 performance car, along come the new GTO and everyone keeps bitchin....

....anyways, the cars will be simular no matter what, GM is all about making money, huge variations in the cars would not be as cost effective as rebadging the same car and using the name (heritage /nostalgia) to sell it (ohh forgot to mention that hood scoop )....the days of real unique muscle cars is way behind us

 

I think you may be missing the point a little.

First off, what people bitch about as far as the GTO is concerned is it's un-Pontiac bland styling.

As far as model differentiation, it is possible to get different personalities out of the different models. Consider when the SS came out in '96 its suspension was noticably firmer than the Z28 (which was itself firmed up in '98).

Will the differentiation be as great as in '69 when we had a few front ends to choose from? No, probably not, but I think it is possible, even through economies of scale, to give the Z28 a different flavor than the SS.