Uh oh, me too! Right on the $$$. Yup I guess that means we can't formulate our own opinion.

 

So are you saying the Gov't is responsible for Katrina and the rise in gas since? Sure
You brought it up and I feel I need to add a little...
These is not a war for oil...period! I have many good friends who have been to Iraq and afghanistan and I can assure you it is not about oil. I will be in Iraq in about three months and we will be doing nothing for oil. We are establishing a free nation, one that will not develop WMD to use or threaten any of its' neighboring countries with.


Now, back to car stuff...
Did you really expect the CEO of a large Corp. to drop everything he is trying to do to bring the company back from the problems caused (mostly)by other for your plan?

If you want your plan to be used...become CEO

No wait...please don't.

 

This thread is full of bs. How are we even being aloud to talk about the war and weather it is about oil or not? Threads in the lounge even get locked for that, don't they? And Im still waiting for BM to realize that even though Wags is CEO now, he hasn't been the one making decisions for the past 10-15 years just because he has worked for the company. Did he inherit a company that was running at top form and then proceed to run it into the ground? Or did he come into a ****y situation, and try to do what he can to fix problems and make improvements were he can? Is everything going on inside of GM his idea and the results of his decisions? Or are there leftover contracts and policies from the former management at GM that is still standing in the way of progress?

 

Nope, not you, unfortunately.

 

The problem with Walmart is that it doesnt give back to the community, perhaps there are donations... but for the most part, walmart is making money only on the backs of underpaid hard working individuals...

other then that Walmart is awesome... if walmart would lead the competition as far as payroll goes USA would be doing really well...

as goes for Thexx, i'm tired of his crap...

Buickman, hes a successful man who would like some additional fame... is his plan right or wrong, if we put it to test, whatever the outcome, everyone would be bandwagooners... no pun intended
buickman has always had that mind set though, "let me try, let me show you what I can do for the company"
and if his plan was unsuccessful it would be easily blamed elsewhere, just like the current marketing is blamed on the product... so it couldnt possibly be bad marketing... whatever it is... GM is too big to say the any reason at all... its like saying the reason Delphi went bankrupt is because of legacy costs... Sure thats one reason, but there are plenty of additional reasons why things are going the way they are...

and for any one person to say Rick Wagoner ought to resign because hes the reason the company is doing poorly... that isnt really the correct way of looking at things...

Perhaps the reason it appears Rick Wagoner isn't being successful is because of the people that report to him... my father always said "There are Liars, Damned Liars, and Statations" basically meaning on a graph or sheet of paper you can make really bad news look like mediocre news, or even good news... Like for example, one might say Sales slumpt 30% this month, another person might be able to say, Hummer is doing 200% better then last year... all in all, sales are down, but one looks good one doesnt... and if Wagoner is the type of person where bad news, means bad things... then why not show him the ups on the graph?

I'm saying no one product, person, year, company, supplier, advertisement, brand, hurricane, terrorist bombing, assembely plant or train reck can be attributed to the failiar of General Motors, and to place the problem entirely on one would be considered an uneducated placement...

and not to my supprise this thread has already grown to 5-6 pages in not even 24 hours... this is fueled not by Buickman, but by those of you on here that have denied him useage of this forum... denied his input, and denied our opinons to him... I havent yet counted the posts that are completely irrelevent to any portion of this topic But I know there are plenty of "Ohh not another one of these again"... This squabling has got to quit at some point...

 

Maybe the third time will be the charm?

 

I like GM, or more specifically, I really like what GM used to represent. My love for the company stretches back to my first memories, as my dad worked as a service manager in GMC dealer as I grew up. I just about lived in that place, and talked about cars and trucks in every breath. I bled Bowites. And yet that doesn't stop me from feeling that, in the company's current form, GM is holding the UAW's hand on the fast track to becoming a dismal and distant part of American history. Delphi is the canary in the mineshaft, having been spun off from GM for the sole purpose of taking a bunch of plants, workers, and legacy costs off GM's balance sheets. Yea, that was a great plan.

I think that the fact that we hold a manufacturing job in the same regard as a server as Starbucks (judging by the pay levels that the free market judges appropriate for assembly workers) really sucks, and I think that's going to come back and bite us in the *** someday. Let me know how well those Starbuck employees can screw together F/A-22s when push comes to shove. WWII was not won on the basis of a strong service economy, and I don't think that it's socialism to feel this way.

I find it interesting that the Japanese and Koreans continue to do very well in the world market, even with unionized labor and large overhead costs (regardless of whether those costs are borne by the companies themselves or the government is inconsequential in the largest sense, since the money comes from workers and consumers anyways).

Feel free to copy-n-paste this into future threads on this topic as necessary.

 

Your father is Mark Twain?

 

Duh... everybody knows Mark twain's son is the longest living man on the planet, lives in cali, and sells chevies.

Incredible arguement. Wow. Just... just... mindblowing. Oh, I don't know if I can even argue against that point.

 

I tend to disagree with this statement. I think GM Canada is in a much better position, and producing more than its' proportional share of vehicles, because our "universal" health care system and national pension plan tends to help level the playing field between the old guard (GM, Ford, Chrysler) and the "transplants".

 

LMAO!!!!!

Zing!

 

I have said this before...

This sort of argument and flaming is NOT WHAT THIS FORUM IS for.

Buickman...if you cannot CONTRIBUTE in manner that is POSITIVE to the goals and nature of this community, please find another site that is designed for what you offer. THANK YOU.