So I guess Adolph Hitler could have counted on your support then?

...and then you critisize them for speaking their opinion.

 

There's nothing wrong with being a socialist.

There's nothing wrong with presenting an opposing viewpoint.

There's nothing wrong with agreeing with the majority if you came up with your view on your own.

Can't we all just get along?

 

Ok. But I thought this was a camaro board. If this was in the lounge I would be fine with it. Talk about this guys opinion on the way he thinks things are going in the lounge. Then when something interesting comes up about a 5th gen or something else that has a place in the 5th Gen & Future Vehicle Discussion/Automotive News section, bring it on over and we will discuss it in this section. I was just saying that there are a lot of other places on the internet for content, thoughts, and ideas, that have nothing to do with 5th gen camaros and automotive news. (Just because he mentions GM and Wagoner doesn't make it automotive news.)

 

Sure there is.

 

You might notice that
-I don't start threads with 'the circle jerk theme' or even enter threads with the circle jerk theme in mind even if it is already going on. I only reach that point when I become sickened by the number of people flaming me whilst riding on the coattails of one or two intelligent member's opinions. In other words, it's a defensive response, not an offensive response.


Did I say I was unique or that buickman was unique or that anyone else was?? No! But I do carry quite a few opinions that are unique to this board for the most part.

I have ALWAYS respected the opinions of those who are able to intelligently and logically form them - this would include you, PacerX, fbodfather, and several others. But the unfortunate reality is that the majority of those in this forum can seeminly barely locate the mental capacity to make such comments as "You suck" or "You are an idiot!!11!!!1" or "Why do you even post here?" (that one I personally love because it's the ultimate admission to GM fanboyism - kinda like asking a black gay jew why he's at a KKK meeting. He may not belong but if that's the case do you really want to pretend like your KKK meeting is being open-minded?), as well as the typical "" icon. Which used occasionally is not big deal but when I see the same members incapable of doing anything but using that icon to 'formulate' their opinion I kinda start to wonder if they ever develop their own opinions or just read others and decide to agree with them. Kinda like the people who just vote strictly down political party lines regardless of the person in question or their stance on various variable issues.

 

I would have supported his contribution to speak his ideas in a private forum where his ideas and theories were along the lines of the main topic of discussion. Now if his ideas infringed upon the rights of others and he tried to put them into action that's where I'd stop supporting him and start working against him. However, relating BM's ideas to Adolph Hitler is a pretty ridiculous analogy.



I guess if you call to be an opinion then sure. But to me it seems more like an inflamatory exclamation.

 

Weird, there are about 6500 blue collar workers that are "non-union" working 10 minutes from my house at the Nissan Plant. Nissan seems to pay their workers well and they aren't going bankrupt because of poor managemet and greedy unions. I'd definately say that my neighbors on the corner whom both work at Nissan are doing very well, an 04' Titan and 05 G35 coupe in the driveway of the 3 bedroom 2 bath house. Sounds middle class to me. I wonder if Nissan has anything to do with the fact that our county has the highest job growth rate in the COUNTRY. Nissan of course isnt the only employer in the county but the biggest, their suppliers also have a few non-union employess as well. Those darn asian companies killing our American Dream, killing the unions, slaughting our babies.

I know that most american cars employ more americans per unit, but until GM makes more desireable models the future is dim. Someone posted the other day that the Soltice wasn't gonna fix GM, neither was the CTS or C5 when they came out. But they are a start. Niche cars are cool but the real problems lay with the impala, G6 and malibu and gran prix. They cannot touch the civic, accord or camry. Take away GMS and its really gonna show who the public thinks makes the better car. Incase some forget, toyota and honda sales were up 10-11% last month as GM did a nose-dive post GMS.
DCX isn't following any more they are leading and there sales gains are showing it. Lets see where they are in 5 years and that may tell where the future of the UAW lies. If DCX can be successful with the UAW and GM can't than its management. I am so ticked at GM for lack of leadership, mustang sells 200,000 units, (GM)"we need to compete in that segment". (GM) "if the 300/Charger do well maybe we will re-enter into the RWD market". Thats great leadership. Everyone wants a car built by a yes man. Lets just redo the impala so it looks like a 10 year old LH car. So in 2015 we will get a RWD impala that looks like a 1964-66. Hybrid sales are exploding, (GM) "we need to work with toyota to get a hybrid to market". So who do we need to talk to about getting an EXTREME CORPRATE MAKEOVER


BTW Nissan is thinking about moving the NA HQ to Nashville, out of Cali, I'd do it, same wages with half the cost of living.

Just trying to do my part in making this a 20 page post.

 

Pardon my repeat question, but I'm interested in the answer...

Buickman... Is Suski a Union shop? Are the techs signed with the IAM? Is your sales staff Union?

 

No.

Blue is better, so shut yer yap.

 

7.6

 

perhaps......but let's give Nissan some legacy costs........
Let's throw a tarriff on all Nissans.....like the Japanese do on all American cars...regardless of where they're built.
Let's manipulate the Yen vs Dollar the other way..........

 

Buickman, I don't want to ask you how the Return to Greatness works because I've seen it already, and watched it get hashed out and cut up on here. What I do want to ask you is...

How much did you try charging for the plan? I mean, c'mon...no one does anything in this world for free. How much were you offered? And finally, could some of your disgust be because no one is buying YOUR plan?

 

Its a good book, however i only got to page 486 cuz my crazy X ripped it up because she was pissed.

P.S. Ayn Rand was far from a Socialist, haven't any of you guys read her stuff?


"There is no difference between communism and socialism, except in the means of achieving the same ultimate end: communism proposes to enslave men by force, socialism - by vote. It is merely the difference between murder and suicide."
- From "Foreign Policy Drains U.S. of Main Weapons"

 

Edit* I guess my use of the icon to show my complete and utter agreeance to this particular post might make someone like Threxx think I can't formulate an opinion on my own, but 91_z28_4me's statement is right on the money of how I feel.

 

The irony is, Wal Mart is a good example of what is both right and wrong about America. Keep in mind Wal Mart started out as nothing more than 1 store by one man.