Ford GT Performance Numbers from C&D
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Originally posted by Snorman
After 4 years of domination with the LS1, GM is now lagging. Guessing what GM might build and comparing it to what Ford is building is pointless.
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After 4 years of domination with the LS1, GM is now lagging. Guessing what GM might build and comparing it to what Ford is building is pointless.
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But except for the hard numbers generated by the GT for this road test ...we've pretty much been spending most of our time comparing what GM might build to what Ford might build.
I'm with fastdog on the GT......anyone planning on buying one?
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GM can NEVVVUH LOOOSSSSEEEEE!!!!! 
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OMG, we're all living in fantasy land (can't blame anyone though since this is the future/rumor forum). Just let the cars hit the streets and the facts get seperated from the myths. Everyone's speaking as if they've driven/seen/or have the facts of both cars on hand. Guys talking about the c6 z06 outhandling the GT, a TT ZL1 demolishing it, etc..... Ohh boy
. let's not get ahead of ourselves.
. OMG, we're all living in fantasy land (can't blame anyone though since this is the future/rumor forum). Just let the cars hit the streets and the facts get seperated from the myths. Everyone's speaking as if they've driven/seen/or have the facts of both cars on hand. Guys talking about the c6 z06 outhandling the GT, a TT ZL1 demolishing it, etc..... Ohh boy
. let's not get ahead of ourselves.
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I am really glad this car worked out for Ford. They need something to cheer about!
Damn that thing is bad to the bone. Would have been interesting if they'd been able to include the new Viper in that test too.
Damn that thing is bad to the bone. Would have been interesting if they'd been able to include the new Viper in that test too.
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posted by Darth Xed
Actually it was 5 years of dominating with the LS1, and another 5 with the LT1...
Actually it was 5 years of dominating with the LS1, and another 5 with the LT1...
Now the shoe is on the other foot. And GM faithful are having fits that they'd have to pony (pun intended) up nearly $50k to get into the game (unless a mid-high 14-second Grand Prix fits their bill).
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Originally posted by 1fastdog
What make you think it doesn't already exist and is being validated as we speak?
What make you think it doesn't already exist and is being validated as we speak?
I hope you see my point. The C6 Zxx might end up being the end all of all performance vehicles. Then again, it may not. However, I'm not going to take the word of idiots like PacerX on it. Are you?
Originally posted by Z284ever
I'm with fastdog on the GT......anyone planning on buying one?
I'm with fastdog on the GT......anyone planning on buying one?
No offense intended to anyone (I went through your group and remember the days) - but it is a silly question, and deserved an equally silly answer.
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For those that think Ford is beating GM in the HP war
sure the battle of 2003 and 2004 go to ford after over 10 years of getting beat by Chevy. But on the luxury side Caddy is kicking Lincon a$$
Lincoln LS V6 = 232HP
CTS V6 = 255HP
Lincoln LS V8 = 280HP
CTSv V8 = 400HP
Navigator = 300HP
Escalade = 345HP
Aviator = 302HP
SRX V8 = 320HP
Town Car = 239HP
Deville = 300HP
sure the battle of 2003 and 2004 go to ford after over 10 years of getting beat by Chevy. But on the luxury side Caddy is kicking Lincon a$$
Lincoln LS V6 = 232HP
CTS V6 = 255HP
Lincoln LS V8 = 280HP
CTSv V8 = 400HP
Navigator = 300HP
Escalade = 345HP
Aviator = 302HP
SRX V8 = 320HP
Town Car = 239HP
Deville = 300HP
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Originally posted by Bob Cosby
I hope you see my point. The C6 Zxx might end up being the end all of all performance vehicles. Then again, it may not. However, I'm not going to take the word of idiots like PacerX on it. Are you?
I seriously doubt it. Most of the posters here are 17-24 year olds that can barely afford a 10 year old $8,000 car- to say nothing of the insurance. Figure that's the audience Ford is targeting with the GT?
No offense intended to anyone (I went through your group and remember the days) - but it is a silly question, and deserved an equally silly answer.
I hope you see my point. The C6 Zxx might end up being the end all of all performance vehicles. Then again, it may not. However, I'm not going to take the word of idiots like PacerX on it. Are you?
I seriously doubt it. Most of the posters here are 17-24 year olds that can barely afford a 10 year old $8,000 car- to say nothing of the insurance. Figure that's the audience Ford is targeting with the GT?
No offense intended to anyone (I went through your group and remember the days) - but it is a silly question, and deserved an equally silly answer.
I don't claim that anyone is 100% correct 100% of the time however Pacer is always right on the money especially with tidbits of information!
FYI I'm 23 and own a slightly modded 2002 Camaro SS so don't pass judgement on the people that post... you don't know anyone ( I pay all the bills so don't even bother stating it's a gift from mom and dad) and NO i'm not in the target audience that will/can buy a Ford GT and I doubt you are either! (being that people that want a GT will BUY a GT nothing more nothing less PERIOD) The GT sells itself! It is a powerhouse no doubt about it
like others have said let's all just wait for the cars to ACTUALLY hit the streets before we mouth off about HP figures
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Originally posted by Snorman
Wrong. '93-'95 Cobras were pretty much on equal footing with the LT1 cars at practically the same price. '96-'97 Cobras also were easily equal to the LT1's performance envelope. In '98 GM pulled ahead with the LS1, even over the Cobras. GM held that lead until last year...that's 4-5 years. From '85-'92, the boring 'ole 9:1 302 E7TE's headed 5.0 held it's ground successfully against GM contenders.
Now the shoe is on the other foot. And GM faithful are having fits that they'd have to pony (pun intended) up nearly $50k to get into the game (unless a mid-high 14-second Grand Prix fits their bill).
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Wrong. '93-'95 Cobras were pretty much on equal footing with the LT1 cars at practically the same price. '96-'97 Cobras also were easily equal to the LT1's performance envelope. In '98 GM pulled ahead with the LS1, even over the Cobras. GM held that lead until last year...that's 4-5 years. From '85-'92, the boring 'ole 9:1 302 E7TE's headed 5.0 held it's ground successfully against GM contenders.
Now the shoe is on the other foot. And GM faithful are having fits that they'd have to pony (pun intended) up nearly $50k to get into the game (unless a mid-high 14-second Grand Prix fits their bill).
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Originally posted by Bob Cosby
I seriously doubt it. Most of the posters here are 17-24 year olds that can barely afford a 10 year old $8,000 car- to say nothing of the insurance. Figure that's the audience Ford is targeting with the GT?
No offense intended to anyone (I went through your group and remember the days) - but it is a silly question, and deserved an equally silly answer.
I seriously doubt it. Most of the posters here are 17-24 year olds that can barely afford a 10 year old $8,000 car- to say nothing of the insurance. Figure that's the audience Ford is targeting with the GT?
No offense intended to anyone (I went through your group and remember the days) - but it is a silly question, and deserved an equally silly answer.
I'm in a completely different demographic that the one which you describe. I am substantially older and a self-employed professional. I find reading about and seeing the GT very interesting. I'm glad the GT outperformed it's competitors in the C&D comparo. But even if the GT had 1,500 hp.....I wouldn't be interested...especially for ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY THOUSAND DOLLARS!
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Originally posted by muckz
Again, apples and oranges. 93-95 Cobras were equivalent to LT1, true. What motor did they have? Not the GT motor. Hence bring up LT4, which walked the Cobra. Then you're saying LS1 was good for 4 years until .... until what, 2003 Cobra? Bring out LS6 again, and you'll see there was straight domination of GM over Ford for entire 10 years.
Again, apples and oranges. 93-95 Cobras were equivalent to LT1, true. What motor did they have? Not the GT motor. Hence bring up LT4, which walked the Cobra. Then you're saying LS1 was good for 4 years until .... until what, 2003 Cobra? Bring out LS6 again, and you'll see there was straight domination of GM over Ford for entire 10 years.
The 95 Cobra had 240HP vs 285HP in the Z28
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Originally posted by Snorman
ROTFLMAO! Who are you, Bob Lutz? Another Fantasyland candidate!
What 5th-gen F-body...the one that is thus far not even officially confirmed? It's so far off you have no idea what it looks like, what the drivetrain will be or how it will perform. Don't be ridiculous.
The C6 Z06 is targeted "squarely at the GT"? Can you prove that? Unsubstantiated blathering.
What ZL1? The Fantasyland ZL1? GM hasn't commited to building it. You have no idea about what this Fantasyland C6 variant would possibly be powered by, nor how it would perform.
Little hint, GM is already losing the horsepower war with Ford. Deal with it. The Z06 is their last standing effort, as well as the upcoming C6. Bravo. They're building a car pushing $50k for the masses? Gimme' a break.
Ford has a 300hp GT that will be unveiled in January. Ford is currently building a 260hp Mustang, a 300+hp Mustang, a 400+hp Mustang, a 400hp truck, a 300hp 4-door luxo-barge (Marauder), has an entry to compete with the imports in the SVT Focus (soon to be defunct, I hear), and a 600hp Ferrari/Lambo-killing GT.
What's GM done lately? Released an underpowered SSR and Silverado SS, discontinued the F-body and redone the upmarket Corvette for those willing to spend $50k?
After 4 years of domination with the LS1, GM is now lagging. Guessing what GM might build and comparing it to what Ford is building is pointless.
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ROTFLMAO! Who are you, Bob Lutz? Another Fantasyland candidate!
What 5th-gen F-body...the one that is thus far not even officially confirmed? It's so far off you have no idea what it looks like, what the drivetrain will be or how it will perform.
Don't be ridiculous. The C6 Z06 is targeted "squarely at the GT"? Can you prove that? Unsubstantiated blathering.
What ZL1? The Fantasyland ZL1? GM hasn't commited to building it. You have no idea about what this Fantasyland C6 variant would possibly be powered by, nor how it would perform.
Little hint, GM is already losing the horsepower war with Ford. Deal with it. The Z06 is their last standing effort, as well as the upcoming C6. Bravo. They're building a car pushing $50k for the masses? Gimme' a break.
Ford has a 300hp GT that will be unveiled in January. Ford is currently building a 260hp Mustang, a 300+hp Mustang, a 400+hp Mustang, a 400hp truck, a 300hp 4-door luxo-barge (Marauder), has an entry to compete with the imports in the SVT Focus (soon to be defunct, I hear), and a 600hp Ferrari/Lambo-killing GT.
What's GM done lately? Released an underpowered SSR and Silverado SS, discontinued the F-body and redone the upmarket Corvette for those willing to spend $50k?
After 4 years of domination with the LS1, GM is now lagging. Guessing what GM might build and comparing it to what Ford is building is pointless.
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Some of us may know much more than we can let on here. I've told you as much as I can, and can't go any further. I do not blather, and you had better measure your words a little bit more carefully in the future or you will run the risk of being exposed as the fool you apparently are.
Tattoo that one on your eyelids, bub.
Camaros will have no issues whatsoever with any Cobra F*rd decides to build. Dead stock, run-of-the-mill C6's will have nothing to fear from Cobras. The Z06 will match the GT step-for-step, and the ZL1 is quite literally going to blow everything else on the market away short of $600,000 Ferraris.
I know from whence I speak.
I'm not even going to grace Cosby's nonsense with a reply.
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Originally posted by Bob Cosby
It might already exist. If it does, please point me to the specs and performance figures, and their source. No, speculation on this message forum will not suffice.
It might already exist. If it does, please point me to the specs and performance figures, and their source. No, speculation on this message forum will not suffice.
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Originally posted by PacerX
Some of us may know much more than we can let on here. I've told you as much as I can, and can't go any further. I do not blather, and you had better measure your words a little bit more carefully in the future or you will run the risk of being exposed as the fool you apparently are.
Tattoo that one on your eyelids, bub.
Camaros will have no issues whatsoever with any Cobra F*rd decides to build. Dead stock, run-of-the-mill C6's will have nothing to fear from Cobras. The Z06 will match the GT step-for-step, and the ZL1 is quite literally going to blow everything else on the market away short of $600,000 Ferraris.
I know from whence I speak.
Some of us may know much more than we can let on here. I've told you as much as I can, and can't go any further. I do not blather, and you had better measure your words a little bit more carefully in the future or you will run the risk of being exposed as the fool you apparently are.
Tattoo that one on your eyelids, bub.
Camaros will have no issues whatsoever with any Cobra F*rd decides to build. Dead stock, run-of-the-mill C6's will have nothing to fear from Cobras. The Z06 will match the GT step-for-step, and the ZL1 is quite literally going to blow everything else on the market away short of $600,000 Ferraris.
I know from whence I speak.
I'd dare say that most posters here are actually older than 24 and can afford a more than a 10 year old car for $8,000. Not that it should matter how much money you intend to spend on your next car. Keep in mind you aren't in the Lounge Forum here.
