jeez scott, don't have to make a reply to every post

but, just to check you here, the camaro wasn't dropped because gm didn't want to just say "the he** with the pony car market"
do a search and you'll find the valid reasons for its demise, like darth zed said somewhere in that long line of posts you had

no offense intended scott, keep the thread going

 

Sorry, Bob owned your *** with hard factswned:

 

I hope you are right, I am an f-body fan but I don't trust GM worth a damn. If and when they come out I might just buy one, my wife wants an LS-1 Camaro at present, but if a new one is just a few years away I might just save for one. I don't like the next generation stang, too damn ugly with that retro thing going on....

 

***EDITED OUT THE FLAMES***

Not worth the time.

 

You are wrong here. Its a well know fact people from GM surf these boards.

And about the 96 Cobra, maybe I am a bit bias. My friend owned one for two weeks. He sold his 95 Trans AM, picked up the Cobra and was so discussed with he performance that he sold it for a 98 Trans Am. In the end he ended up with a pretty good deal. But I've only seen one 4.6L in person that ran hard. Had everything (125shot) except a rotating assembly and was in the 11s. Cool car looked like a stock GT.

Its funny sitting here writing this because this argument could on and on for days. I keep thinking of comebacks for my own arguments and so on.

These arguments on the board just tire me out. I'm just going to walk away from this. You can have the victory Bob. I sat there watching my movie thinking of many different comebacks. Some were pretty good, but I don’t see a point. You win, whatever I'm going to sleep and dream about how fast ‘96 SS are.


And how did he "own" me with this statement?

 

Yet another thread that has turned completely redicuous, Thanks alot Ford guys.

My thoughts on the Ford GT: Kudos for Ford on making an impressive fast car. Too bad its butt ugly IMO they could have done better with the 40 year old styling.

After seeing the SF pics. of the C6 I'll take it any day over a GT

 

I think it has to do with yours and JG's misconceptions dealing with engine powercurves, gearing and their relation to acceleration.

BTW, I'm a 2nd year ME student too.

 

I dont think the Ford guys ruined the thread... I think it started with the GM guys bashing the Ford. Especially those who did so with imaginary cars that no one has seen yet.

 

No...... I think the Ford guys did with there "Ford vs. GM horsepower war(Yah might be a redneck if......) that got turned into another one of those Camaro vs. Cobra threads"

 

Of course I was talking about real-life street cars and not a drag only application.

In plain english, no one is going to be constantly driving at 4800 rpm on the street. Most street V8's are running between 2000-4000 rpm tops. For a drag racing application 4800 rpm wouldn't be a handicap, and in that circumstance Bob is correct. However no where was it ever implied that we were talking about drag only applications, and in fact everyone was bragging about street car performance.

Its easy to sound like a damn genius half the time if you slant everyone else's opinions to feed your own one-sided arguments.

But then I really could care less what some narrow-minded Ford guys think. Come to think of it, why is it Ford guys are always on GM sites yet you don't see as many Chevy guys on Ford sites? Hmmmmm.

 

Pretty impressive on the GT performance. Ford hit a home run on this one. That trap speed means the GT is around a 10.8@130+ car with a half decent driver.

Now on to the dissenters.

Huh? I'll take Modern Musclecars for $500 Alex.

Answer:This car makes 425hp even though factory rated at 390 compared to the Z06 which makes its rated 405hp.

Ding! What is the the '03 Cobra?

Correct!

I believe our strident loud mouth insider is a seat engineer at a supplier to the general, judging from an earlier thread on the intracacies of welding and frames. Yup. From that commanding position he KNOWS all the developments at GM powertrain before even Fritz Indra.

A $60K Z06 that traps 130mph in the 1/4 mile? Only six months to go before this one gets eaten. And what's this other ridiculous stuff? Hypothetical Camaros having nothing to fear from 500+hp Cobras? 400hp Vettes romping on 500+hp Cobras? You're losing it, friend.





The GT basically romps over everything this side of the Enzo. I highly doubt the ZL1 will get built. But on paper it should run at least as fast as the GT. 625hp <3100lbs. But don't forget area under the curve of the torque chart. The twin screw SC mod motors make huge fat torque bands from stop to top, an edge they will continue to have over everything else.

As for the Z06, it's gonna be great car. It will most probably outrun the '06 Cobra and be the best sports car for the money, again. And that's good. But forget this going after and beating the GT crap. Seriously.

 

$60k? Where did you get that number from? I've heard of new Z06's being had for $15k less (shop around!), but whatever.....

Quote:

But forget this going after and beating the GT crap. Seriously.

GT is very impressive as anyone can see. But you are forgetting the #1 rule about the performance car world....repeat after me....

No matter what you have, there is something out there that is faster. Period. I know of some street-driven F-body owners in this area who must be frothing at the mouth to roll up on a snobby unsuspecting GT owner.

So after listening to ProudPony wisely telling me not to say Ford can't do something, don't sit there and say with all of GM's resources and history for building some wicked stuff (usually more economically than anyone else mind you) they can't pull something off either.

 

So you wrote a "flaming response", then decided it wasn't worth your time - after you had already taken that time to do it. Interesting logic.

Why is that just because you've "only seen one in person" that this makes it a rare event? I can point you to at least two (2) bolt-on mods only 96-98 Cobras running 11.6's. I know both of the guys personally, and have seen them run at the track.

No doubt about that. When you reply to something, this outcome is one possibility.

You'll pardon me if I make the rash assumption that you have no answer to the questions I asked. Obviously this is your choice, and that's ok with me.

Well thank you, but "victory" was not my goal.

Good comebacks? Meaningful data, or slams? Engineering stuff, perhaps?

An occasional fantasy is good....pleasant dreams.

(psst...that was a joke)

Neat. Blind stereotyping. Kindly see my post from yesterday about the demographics of this site - I'm curious why you don't fit the age group, yet your comment is a wonderful verification of my assumptions. Interesting.

I was not referring to "drag only" either. Please do not try and pretend I did. I was referring to maximum acceleration - assuming traction is not an issue, the physics of such remain the same on the street or the track.

Thank God for plain english.

In just as plain english, who said they were? Then again, if you're trying to accelerate as fast as possible, are you going to stay between 2000 and 4000 rpm? Not even your LT1 is going to do that, and certianly no LS1 or 4.6 DOHC will. No, they are going to to do there best to optimize their HP through the RPM range in each gear.

Driving around town? Sure. Under hard accleration? Not. And lets be clear....were we talking about normal driving of the car, or were we talking about accelerating as fast as possible?

Please see above comments.

I agree - but we weren't talking about goofing off on the street - for the 3rd (or 4th) time, we were talking about maximum acceleration from these street cars - be it on the street or on the track. They will accelerate hardest at the higher rpm.

Indeed. Perhaps you should grab that mirror.

Could you please define who the "narrow-minded Ford guys" are? Kindly state your reasoning and evidence, too. And if you could "care less", why do you continue to reply?

Without realizing it, you just contridicted your previous statement. Let me know if you'd like for me to tell you how.

And BTW, not only am I an "enthusiast" vice any single-brand car guy, I've also been around here quite a bit longer than the majority of the people in this thread - including the time I owned my 99 T/A. Draw whatever conclusions you wish to.....or not.

Is this more inside data? Pacer, better listen to this guy. He's saying that the "Super-Corvette" will run 130 mph in the 1/4 mile (stock) and be priced about the same as the current Z06!

You heard it here first. Note this on your calender.

Mark....I agree totally with your comments. Kudos to you. One exception....I think the reference to the $60k Z06 was for future models, not the current version.

I'm off to the airport...ya'll have fun today.

 

Can we get a lock already?

 

Did anyone ever see that Clint Eastwood movie..."UNFORGIVEN".

It's about a former gunfighter who is doing his best to avoid gunfights.....until the end when he literally runs amok in a gunfight kill-a-thon.

Good movie.