Yes, you got me. I was specifically attacking YOU because I don't like the way your username looks on my screne....WTF? What makes you think I was specifically singling you out? Yes it was a generalization but it is your fault and your fault alone for taking offense and taking it so personally.

My point about the GT not being impressive for the price is quite simple and I am suprised you don't get it. For $150,000 per car, a large multinational like Ford with the R&D facilities and economies of scale that they have....hell yes it should be at least as fast as it is if not quite a bit faster. A Ferrari at that price should be a lot less of a car because they do not have the corporate support and buying power to produce X car for Y cost...its going to be more expensive, thus the price will be higher to me or you. All I am saying is that of course for $150K the GT can perform, but at that price I'd hardly consider it mind boggling or a particularly good performance per dollar value. It is not sufficiently more capable than a Viper, for example, for me to consider spending 2x as much money on one.

I'm out of here...like talking to brick walls. You guys jumping all over our GM insiders like Pacer X like he's just some 17 yr old troll spouting off. Some Mustang guys have been around here, others are more trollish (if it doesn't apply to you, do not take offense...sheesh)....but you guys need to realize some of these people have insider info and sources inside GM and they are trusted here. If Pacer X or GuionM say such a thing is in the pipe, its in the pipe.

 

Given my past history with flame wars, I made a decision not to engage in this one after gassing up the flamethrower... Imagine that... ME the picture-boy for decorum. I hope the regulars appreciate the level of restraint I am displaying at this point.

Simply put, you are so ignorant as to not be worth my time. I have nothing to prove to you, and you can take what I say as valid information or not. I really don't care either way.

One day, when you leave the Navy, maybe you can get a job in the automobile industry and start learning the way things are actually done, how programs progress from concept to completion, and who knows what when. Right now, you simply have no clue whatsoever, and educating you as to the process and what information is available when is a complete waste of time.

I'm sure I could find a job you're qualified for...

 

Pacer you just made my "Hero" list.

BTW sorry I never got that resume to you. My loss. My dad kind of shot down the idea of me working in Michigan this summer. He didn’t think it would work financially right now from cost of living and such. It would be a lot smarter for me to get a job back home and save $$ for school. I'm trying to get a job out at the GM plant in Arlington again. I figure it could give me some experience from a manufacturing point of view and it also pays $17 an hour.
However I would like to talk to you in a year or so, once I'm further into my degree and closer to graduating. Talk to ya later.

 

Stick a fork in this thread already....it's done.

 

Gentlemen and Ford owners:

I don't believe I originally said anyone was flat out wrong. What I said is I'd personally rather have low-end torque vs. high-end torque. That statement I still stand by.

Take two cars cruising at 50 mph on the highway when they decide to punch it. By the time high-end car winds up to its peak torque, the low-end car should already have it by at least car length. At least in theory anyway.

Anyway I also said earlier my bone stock '95 Z/28 has more RWHP than my '96 Mustang GT which is supercharged and has a not-so-stock exhaust. The doesn't mean I actually think my Camaro would beat my Mustang off the line.

 

There's no point in argument on this. What will be coming will be coming.

Ford will put the GT back in restricted showrooms for a specific purpose. Plain a simple it's a Halo car deal and they feel it's necessary and feel it appropriate to reach back 37+ years to assist in doing it.

It's a smart move sales wise and press wise. A total new car would be risky to try to sell @ $150K. Original GT40's and GT 40 MarkII's bring large money at auction and there's enough demand to move a select number of new one's and get back out into some spotlight.

No manufacturer sells to the public directly. They sell to dealers. Ford will sell all they build and getting them to end users is far less the point than just plain building them. The car press will definately front page them for road tests and comparos... I don't know if there have been any actual final production cars done or if Mr. Ford's personal car is making the round to the mag tests or another mule. It doesn't actually matter in the long run.

Ford is hitting on the retro thing with regularity. Ford particularly has a hi-performance "fued" with Chrysler... maybe because both are short on cash. The retro thing failed miserably on a T-Bird comeback. I'm sure they learned a lesson.

Always watch the money, regardless of the business. Future product insists on cash. SVT is going through reorganization... but the Ford fans know that. . . right?

I hope Ford sells their bid for $100K+ cars... the Cien might go back to a front burner.

I would never underestimate my opponent. Every car company, including Ford, is in my opinion, GM's opponent; make no mistake about it. GM won't show up at a gunfight with a dull knife.

In the mean time may we enjoy what we have the keys to.

 

Lock this one moderators.

 

Why? The Z28 v. SS debates went on for weeks, they were much worse than this and never got locked.

 

Active Mods are needed here.

 

A lot of that would be controlled with proper gear selection, but I'd take the high end torque personally. 4 billion ft lbs at 2500 rpm doesn't do squat for you after the .002 seconds you're at that RPM when you go WOT. Since horsepower is a function of RPM and torque, the higher the fat part of your tq curve, the more HP you should have. I'd rather have the meat of my tq at the mid and upper end. Low end torque is overrated really, because if you have more tq than traction you technically have too much to be useful. Ultimately you want the torque in the RPM range you plan on using because that's where the most work will be performed.

 

Interesting. I have no idea what kind of "history" you have, but it sounds like you go off on people - for good reason or otherwise. Whatever floats your boat dude. Rest assured, nothing you can say will do much more than make me grin and do more typing.

Ignorant means you lack knowledge - either in general terms or specifics. It is quite likely that I am ignorant of many of the things you have knowledge of. It is just as likely - or even certain - that you are quite ignorant of things I have knowledge of.

But I don't care if you last name is Lutz - you don't know if this "super corvette" will run circles around a 2006 GT (if there is one) or not - or even the 2005 GT. You obviously think you do, and the faithful here will certainly believe it.

Ignorance defined.

Why on earth would I want to do that? Besides, when I retire in about 3 years, I'd much prefer to spend my time racing cars vice playing know-it-all super-informer on an internet forum.

You do what you wish.

This would assume that I care - which I do not. My only precept in this - if you'll go back and look at my original post - is the humor I found in people like you talking in absolutes. And again, I don't care if your name is Lutz. My conclusions remain the same.

Ah....such a great feeling when self-described know-it-alls try to put down us "ignorant" folk. Let me tell you something, jr, with your **** poor attitude towards anything you don't like, I have no desire to even allow you to even attempt to "teach" me what you assume I do not know.

That thought is pretty funny just thinking about it.

Well that's a relief. There for a minute I thought I was going to get a 6 hour lecture.

LOL. I doubt it. If you didn't care, you wouldn't even respond. Nice try though.

ROFLOL. No doubt in your mind this would be in the janitorial arts. Thinking about it, I'm just as sure I could find a job you're qualified for. Whanna know what it is? Go ahead....ask.

But hey, Oct 2006 is my planned retirement. I'll let you know if I get hard up. Deal?

I'm certainly glad we have that one straight.

If that is a personal preference, then I have not an issue in the world with it. You decide what you like best - more power to you. I will, however, say that we weren't discussing personal preferences - at least I wasn't.

Chris 96 WS6 covered this pretty well in his response. Again, personal preference is a seperate issue.

I missed that, but I have no issue with your statement. I have a lot less HP than a lot of cars....but I still outrun a fair number of them...from the line or otherwise.

 

FORD boys (and girls) seem to all be the same regardless of what continent they live on.


If you change Chevy to Holden... you have the Australian version of this "mines better than yours" crap...

 

Not here guys. Sorry.