Huh? Tell me, which current production Ford has more HP and performance value than the current Z06? Perhaps... it's this FantasyLand GT

I just hope I will be able to tell the new GT apart from its many kit-car clones already out and about....

 

That depends on how "recent" is recent. Do you mean within the past year or most of the 90's through 2002?

If a Fantasyland GT-killing C6 model helps GM fans cope, let us indulge for a few. What difference does it make. I'm taking the wait and see approach with this one.

 

I wouldn't base your opinion on GM right now, it's gonna look quite different around 06/07 F*rd guys, I wouldn't get too confident just yet. Enjoy whatever while you can.

 

if it ever gets beyond the rumormill

 

What you are forgetting is the weight of the truck. The truck needs at least another 100 HP on top of what it has to be able to run comparable to the GT, if not more. So the numbers themselves might have some sort of effect on buyers, however don't be fooled - 550 HP in a GT goes a looooong way compared to 540 in L.

 

Or for once, by divine providence, they were blessed with a good driver....



On the other hand, somewhat unlikely. Who knows.

 

Yes, it does seem Ford is getting ahead of not just GM but also Chrysler. We'll see what happens in 06/07, but as of 2004 I agree, Ford does take top performance and HP (including fantasyland GT).

 

You mean like the 06' Cobra. I believe it is Mayor of Fantasyland.

 

Huh? I'm pretty sure there is no doubt that their will be a new Cobra by 06 at the earliest. As for a twin turbo Zl1.....

 

Here we go again...

Listen to me very carefully... I'll say it again...

GM WILL NOT lose a horsepower war with F*rd.

Ain't gonna happen. The next Camaro is going to send the Cobra home with it's tail between it's legs. GT will be no match whatsoever for the top-gun Corvette, and C6 Z06's are targeted squarely at the GT. NOT the top-gun ZL1. The Z06. The ZL1 will be head and shoulders above anything F*rd can do with the GT.

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What make you think it doesn't already exist and is being validated as we speak?

Hats off to Ford as it appears they can get get lots of performance from their Halo car. Anyone here getting one?

 

ROTFLMAO! Who are you, Bob Lutz? Another Fantasyland candidate!
What 5th-gen F-body...the one that is thus far not even officially confirmed? It's so far off you have no idea what it looks like, what the drivetrain will be or how it will perform. Don't be ridiculous.
The C6 Z06 is targeted "squarely at the GT"? Can you prove that? Unsubstantiated blathering.
What ZL1? The Fantasyland ZL1? GM hasn't commited to building it. You have no idea about what this Fantasyland C6 variant would possibly be powered by, nor how it would perform.
Little hint, GM is already losing the horsepower war with Ford. Deal with it. The Z06 is their last standing effort, as well as the upcoming C6. Bravo. They're building a car pushing $50k for the masses? Gimme' a break.
Ford has a 300hp GT that will be unveiled in January. Ford is currently building a 260hp Mustang, a 300+hp Mustang, a 400+hp Mustang, a 400hp truck, a 300hp 4-door luxo-barge (Marauder), has an entry to compete with the imports in the SVT Focus (soon to be defunct, I hear), and a 600hp Ferrari/Lambo-killing GT.
What's GM done lately? Released an underpowered SSR and Silverado SS, discontinued the F-body and redone the upmarket Corvette for those willing to spend $50k?
After 4 years of domination with the LS1, GM is now lagging. Guessing what GM might build and comparing it to what Ford is building is pointless.
S.

 

Actually it was 5 years of dominating with the LS1, and another 5 with the LT1...

but, yes, right now, Ford seems to have the upperhand in currently offered affordable performance.

 

OK question... You claim Chevy isnt going to lose a horespower war with Ford. The next Camaro will beat the Cobra? With the current Cobra already putting out 390hp, I think its fair to assume that the next Cobra will be putting out atleast that much. Now with the base Corvette putting out around 400, where do you see the next Camaro's horspower numbers falling?

Sorry, but I just have a hard time seeing what youre saying becoming true. Right now, just looking at performance numbers, the only car I can think of off the top of my mind that can outrun the Ford GT is the Ferrari Enzo. I really have a hard time seeing a $60,000 Z06 doing it.

 

I love the unmitigated hubris of Mustang guys that come to this board and mouth off because they read some thread somewhere about "hey guys, these idiots at Camaroz28.com think the GT won't be the greatest car ever, lets set them straight."

GM's been handing Ford its own *** for over 10 yrs through various itterations of the LT1, LT4, LS1 and LS6. Ford finally comes out kinda on top with the '03 Cobra which sometimes is faster than the Z06 in a straight line, and all the sudden Ford is the GOD of everything Horsepower.

GM's pockets are deeper and their powertrain engineers have always been among the best in the world. The GT is impressive, but not for the price. With the C6 ZO6 be able to match the Ford GT? Doesn't look like it in terms of acceleration, but it won't be too far behind either. Plus I bet the Z06 is still the better track car. And the Z06 will be half the price.

You can go as fast as you want if you are willing to pay enough. Its doing it within the constraints of an approved budget window that is impressive. GM has always been the best in the world at pulling out a world-class corvette on a shoestring budget. Now that they've been given more resources, do not underestimate them.

Point is this is all speculation. When the cars hit the streets and the drag strip and we start getting real world numbers then we can brag and talk trash. Until then I think everybody, Ford GM or DC, should keep their egos in check.